[GSBN] Prefabricated and/or Modular Natural Building Systems

Wed Jun 20 11:45:24 UTC 2018

Dear Lars, Jakub and everybody,
I've to say something, take it serious but take it easy ;-)

It's interesting all the last 20 years I found myself in the party of 
the people being blamed for building not totally straw because I didn't 
go for load bearing so much. Now some years later all the load bearing 
people especially all the leading ones in UK, in Denmark, in Spain ... 
converted to market compromised money earn thinkers. What happend?

Somehow ecococon managed to buy some grass roots souls in Europe. 
Congratulations!

For me it's not a matter of fear of competition, not a matter of a 
factory here and not a matter of the amount of compromises. Not question 
of who had the idea or whatever you could imagine in that direction.

It's a matter of a real sustainable, regional open source solution and 
to believe that this solution is able to come into market and not the 
typical way of capitalism globalized behaviour, working with cheap 
people transporting thousands of kilometer.

The idea of straw building is (no matter if load bearing or not):

local straw
local timber
local other materials like earth and lime if possible
local crafts men
local change of society and business structures  w i t h  all  the 
companies
everybody can build it with just the material from field, earth, forest
it's not the handcrafted way of business (which includes real efficient 
ways of prefab)

Solutions like EcoCocon
no local straw
no local timber
no local other material
no local craftsmen except of a small erecting team for two days for 
single family house
no change in local business
may be everybody could screw the elements together
it's the industrial way of business

Why don't you believe that we can't reach market with that local 
solution?

For me EcoCocon and all the solutions like that is not 103 to 100 
compromises it's 103 to maximum 3 compromises I see with building with 
straw like we mainly do in Germany.
And we started from beginning with the 3 compromises...

FASBA discussed that some years ago and decided to go that way.

By the way: I respect everybody who just says I have to do this and that 
just because of earning money (to a certain point, as long it's not real 
bad work).

Lars and Jakub: Please be sure that you've 100% personal respect from me
BUT EcoCocon and others are not more than 20% of the straw building idea 
I thought it is.

Sorry for my very broken english today, I'm out of international 
networking since more than 2 years, focussing on local work ...

:-)

Dirk

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------ Originalnachricht ------
Von: "Jakub Zucha-Wihan" <kuba at jakubwihan.com>
An: "Dirk Scharmer- FASBA" <ds at fasba.de>; "Larskeller at Gmail. Com" 
<larskeller at gmail.com>; "Global Straw Building Network" 
<gsbn at sustainablesources.com>
Gesendet: 20.06.2018 10:38:02
Betreff: Re: [GSBN] Prefabricated and/or Modular Natural Building 
Systems

>Hi Dirk and Lars, hello Everybody!
>
>Great discussion. Thank you.
>
>I think I am getting a point made by Lars here. Once a grass root 
>visionary in strawbale building starts to see potential in the prefab 
>system, the matter isn’t really a distance, but what matters is 
>acceptance of many compromises within which the prefab comes in.
>
>As well as Lars I got also involved in EcoCocon, because it is great, 
>readily available product to me and for all the reasons mentioned by 
>Lars previously. But for me especially, one of it’s potentials is 
>possibility of earning my living out of selling it to wide market. It 
>doesn’t really mean that I am going to stop being involved in what I 
>have been involved in since the start of my straw bale career - 
>community driven, cement free, loadbearing, local straw buildings...
>
>Prefab made by local craftswoman out of local straw and timber is 
>fantastic achievement, so I am getting your point Dirk. I like what you 
>are doing, but it seems to me that you have always been open to accept 
>compromises in order to push straw bale building further within the 
>system. Why is it then you are not able to accept possibility of having 
>a system that is very similar to yours, but a bit different? Perhaps 
>out of 100 compromises that brings German prefab further away from 
>truly natural and sustainable house, EcoCocon requires acceptance of 
>perhaps 103? … for me, it is a matter of pushing your own boundaries. 
>How far - from the truly natural and truly sustainable building are you 
>willing to go? What is your motivation? Would you be more happy, once 
>EcoCocon builds their factory in Germany? Or is there a fear of 
>competition that prefab brings into this discussion?
>
>Best wishes to all. I am looking forward to hearing from you.
>Jakub Zucha-Wihan
>(to most people on this list known as Kuba)
>
>
>
>>On 18 Jun 2018, at 10:45, Dirk Scharmer <ds at fasba.de> wrote:
>>
>>Hey Lars,
>>we already discussed that in Montargis ... :-|
>>
>>We are currently building a 20 units co-housing project with local 
>>straw, local craftsmen and local timber. It works perfectly. Changing 
>>the building world starts in front of my door together with all the 
>>companies here and not with one company 2.000km away.
>>
>>For me prefab of course is one possibility. But only local. From 
>>Lithuania or whereever its not sustainable it does not cover half the 
>>ideas behind straw building. For me it's just a small smell of 
>>strawbale.
>>
>>Lets keep going and discussing!
>>
>>Dirk
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>www.strawbalehouse.de <x-msg://5/www.strawbalehouse.de>
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>>------ Originalnachricht ------
>>Von: "Lars Keller" <larskeller at gmail.com>
>>An: "Min Hall" <minhall at xnet.co.nz>
>>Cc: "Global Straw Building Network" <gsbn at sustainablesources.com>
>>Gesendet: 16.06.2018 12:00:38
>>Betreff: Re: [GSBN] Prefabricated and/or Modular Natural Building 
>>Systems
>>
>>>The last 4 days we mounted 250m2 of a two storey school project using 
>>>prefab strawpanels.
>>>2 of us having experience with bale wall raising, the rest of the 
>>>crew being builders with various backgrounds.
>>>It was amazing to be honest.
>>>
>>>I agree with John that prefab has a big potential to bring our 
>>>amazing building material out into the more mainstream.
>>>I agree with Bill that it is not ideal to ship the panels 1500kms 
>>>from Lithuania to Denmark.
>>>Once demand is big enough there will be a new production line further 
>>>west.
>>>
>>>In reality for us the choice is not local straw bales or distant 
>>>straw panels.
>>>It is straw panels or not straw.
>>>Almost all building materials are being trucked to Denmark from afar 
>>>in the commercial building sector.
>>>
>>>Best, Lars
>>>
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