[GSBN] Decrement factor of SB walls

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Hello,

"Unfortunately, this book is only in English."

I think Jorge meant "French"

All the best,
André 'working on my swing' de Bouter



Le 29/11/2011 02:35, John Swearingen a écrit :
> This is very interesting, and fortunately in English.  Unfortunately, 
> I don't really know what it means.  Can you explain more?
>
>   * U-value I know.
>   * Thermal bridges to nowhere, I know, but what is a "vented facade"
>     (above).
>   * What are daily indoor heat capacities and sequential head
>     capacities, and what does "strong" and "medium" mean?
>   * Phase shift mitigation?
>
> Thanks!
>
> On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 3:40 PM, Van Krieken <vankrieken at gmail.com 
> <mailto:vankrieken at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     Hi
>
>     The best source of information about this issue (and many others
>     concerning insulation, thermal mass, etc) it is the book writen by
>     Jean-Pierre Oliva and Samuel Courgey ( L'Isolation Thermique
>     Ecologique).
>
>     Citing their book, page 175, concerning a wall with wood structure
>     and straw bales with medium density (80 to 110 Kg/m3, strawbale
>     section 34x46cm. Vented façade in exterior, and interior with clay
>     render.
>
>
>     Thermal loss U (W/m2K) / R (m2K/W)
>     .................................. 0,13 / 7,76
>     Losses due to thermal
>     bridges............................................... 4%
>     Dailyindoorheat capacity (kWh/m2K)................................
>     15 (strong)
>     Sequential indoor heat capacity (kWh/m2K).......................25
>     (medium)
>     Phase shift (hour) / mitigationof the heat flux (%)...............
>     16h / 13%
>
>     Unfortunately, this book is only in English. Jean-Pierre Oliva, is
>     one of the best known french bio climatic architects, and since
>     many years a great enthusiast of straw bale building. His books
>     (also La Architectire Bioclimatique) can be found at Amazon.
>
>
>     All the best
>
>     Jorge VK
>     Portugal
>
>
>     On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 10:55 PM, <strawnet at aol.com
>     <mailto:strawnet at aol.com>> wrote:
>
>         Ken, Polly Cooper and Jennifer Rennick's chapter that John
>         mention's in that Wiley book - Alternative Construction:
>         Contemporary Natural Building Methods, has a lot of
>         information on this though they don't use the term
>         "decrement." They talk about this issue with straw and other
>         types of wall systems and go into considerable detail. I would
>         get in touch with them and see what they have to say.
>
>         David Eisenberg
>
>
>         -----Original Message-----
>         From: Laura Bartels <laura at greenweaverinc.com
>         <mailto:laura at greenweaverinc.com>>
>         To: Global Straw Building Network <GSBN at sustainablesources.com
>         <mailto:GSBN at sustainablesources.com>>
>         Sent: Mon, Nov 28, 2011 3:40 pm
>         Subject: Re: [GSBN] Decrement factor of SB walls
>
>         Hi Martin,
>         Without going back to the details, I could be mistaken, but it
>         seems that a study by Ken Haggard a while back addressed this
>         or similar properties. I found reference in a GSBN email from
>         '07- see below. Is this the same metric?
>
>         Laura
>
>
>         John,
>
>         There is that chapter from Ken Haggard and Polly Cooper on Natural
>         Conditioning in the book Alternative Construction where they
>         look at
>         this. I was looking at it just recently for some curriculum
>         development.
>
>         Laura
>
>         John Swearingen wrote:
>
>>         Very interesting paper, and well written.  Some time ago I
>>         remember hearing
>>         someone toss out some similar observations about thermal
>>         storage, that on a
>>         diurnal cycle, plaster is activated to a depth of about 2-3
>>         inches
>>         (5cm -7.5cm).  I have always figured that the exceptional thermal
>>         performance of
>>         straw bale buildings is not due solely to the high R-value.
>>          The broad
>>         thermal mass of the plastered walls, readily available to
>>         indoor air for
>>         heat exchange, modulates temperatures like my pink Cadillac
>>         modulates bumps
>>         in the road.
>>
>>         Does anyone know of research and measurements of short and
>>         medium thermal
>>         storage in walls?
>>
>>         John "Diurnally Yours" Swearingen
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