[GSBN] GSBN name and scope

Wed Nov 23 21:18:35 UTC 2011

Bob,  Did you invent that?  Sustain a bale?  Excellent.  Up there with Matts
and Judy¹s Out on Bale, (un)limited.  -  MH

On 11/23/11 12:38 PM, "Bob Theis" <bob at bobtheis.net> wrote:

> The fact is, we rarely talk about straw here: we're talking about what goes
> under, over, in it and on it. We're still getting to know an insulation ( and
> plaster substrate ) that is not inert.
> 
> ( It's worth remembering that in historic terms, ANY insulation is a new
> element in the building envelope, and we're still muddling our way through the
> implications of this newcomer.  I point out in seminars that the ice houses in
> New England were double walled with 12-18 inches of sawdust between, when the
> adjacent houses had only spiderwebs in the wall cavities. )
> 
> I'm with Graeme, though, in being leery of generics like sustainable  (
> sustain a bale? ). Keeping "straw" in the title steers things away from gizmo
> green. 
> 
> Bob
> On Nov 23, 2011, at 11:34 AM, Tom Woolley wrote:
> 
>> This looks like being an interesting debate
>> 
>> Our aim in the Uk in establishing the ASBP
>> www.asbp.org.uk <http://www.asbp.org.uk/>
>> is to bring together the whole community using/producing straw, hemp earth,
>> lime, timber and wood fibre and other low impact sustainable building
>> methods. 
>> In this way we are stronger and are able to take on the mountainous battles
>> that lie ahead
>> 
>> Tom Woolley
>> 
>> 
>> On 23 Nov 2011, at 19:06, martin hammer wrote:
>> 
>>>  Tim,
>>>  
>>>  Good thoughts.  The discussions on this list have ranged far and wide from
>>> straw bale for some time, but always regarding subject matter that relates
>>> to the important issues straw bale building encompasses.  A name change, and
>>> an official acknowledgement of the broadening of scope, seems appropriate if
>>> not overdue.  In fact I thought the B in GSBN already stood for Building
>>> (not Bale), just as CASBA has always stood for the California Straw Building
>>> Association.  
>>>  
>>>  If we wanted to broaden the scope in name even further, but not lose the
>>> acronym, it could be the Global Sustainable Building Network.  In the end a
>>> rose by any other name is still a rose.  Most important is the collective
>>> acknowledgment of scope, and the represented realms from which members
>>> participate.
>>>  
>>>  Martin Hammer
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  On 11/23/11 10:38 AM, "David Eisenberg" <strawnet at aol.com
>>> <x-msg://1046/strawnet@aol.com> > wrote:
>>>  
>>>  
>>>> Tim,
>>>>  
>>>>  I have had similar thoughts related to the artificial boundaries we tend
>>>> to erect around subjects that typically extend well beyond our central
>>>> focus. I like the transition you suggest, to Global Straw Building Network
>>>> - still GSBN, but much more appropriately more inclusive. I'll cast my vote
>>>> for this as well as adding Art Ludwig, John Fordice and Michael Smith.
>>>>  
>>>>  David Eisenberg
>>>>   
>>>>   
>>>>   
>>>>  -----Original Message-----
>>>>  From: Tim Owen-Kennedy <timok33 at gmail.com <x-msg://1046/timok33@gmail.com>
>>>> >
>>>>  To: Global Straw Building Network <GSBN at sustainablesources.com
>>>> <x-msg://1046/GSBN@sustainablesources.com> >
>>>>  Sent: Wed, Nov 23, 2011 11:30 am
>>>>  Subject: Re: [GSBN] Nomination of Paula Baker-Laporte
>>>>  
>>>>  I'd Love to have Paula as part of this group.
>>>>  
>>>>  It brings up another question I've been wanting to pose which I think is
>>>> pertinent to the down turn in participation and energy at CASBA and
>>>> presumably around the world in Straw Bale specifically. I haven't done an
>>>> only Straw Bale building for a while and don't consider myself a straw bale
>>>> builder. Straw is the most common insulation I use in the Natural and green
>>>> buildings I design and build. More and More I think of my buildings as more
>>>> or less insulative, massive, and or structural substrates for plaster. I
>>>> know some don't plaster their bales but as cavalier as I am I still don't
>>>> think that is worth the savings even if you want wood cladding. The most
>>>> interesting and valuable discussions on this list for me are often the ones
>>>> that are barely connected to straw bale. And I would hate to loose this
>>>> community of collaboration or keep people from posing their green or
>>>> natural building quandaries to this esteemed group if they don't have
>>>> anything to do with straw bale.
>>>>  
>>>>  SO, I would propose we change our name to the Global Straw Building
>>>> Network (to minimize the shift) and open our ranks to the world of
>>>> excellent Natural Builders that are trying to look deeply and globally at
>>>> the scalability of local building systems and keeping them evolving with
>>>> Building Science.
>>>>  
>>>>  So if this Idea isn't too offensive, there's a few like Michael Smith, Art
>>>> Ludwig, and John Fordice and others.
>>>>  
>>>>  I might be contradicting my desire for fewer and more efficient
>>>> communications for this group but consolidating straw building techniques
>>>> has become an itch I can't keep from scratching.
>>>>  
>>>>  Happiness, health, and humor to you all,
>>>>  
>>>>  Tim
>>>>  
>>>>  
>>>>  
>>>>  On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 10:46 PM,  <strawnet at aol.com
>>>> <x-msg://1046/strawnet@aol.com> > wrote:
>>>>  
>>>>> I second the nomination. Thanks Martin.
>>>>>  
>>>>>  David Eisenberg
>>>>>   
>>>>>   
>>>>>   
>>>>>  -----Original Message-----
>>>>>  From: martin hammer <mfhammer at pacbell.net
>>>>> <x-msg://1046/mfhammer@pacbell.net> >
>>>>>  To: GSBN <GSBN at SustainableSources.com
>>>>> <x-msg://1046/GSBN@SustainableSources.com> >
>>>>>  Sent: Fri, Nov 11, 2011 11:40 pm
>>>>>  Subject: [GSBN] Nomination of Paula Baker-Laporte
>>>>>  
>>>>>  All,
>>>>>  
>>>>>  I nominate Paula Baker-Laporte to the GSBN.  As I said in my previous
>>>>> e-mail Paula is an architect and leading practitioner (along with her
>>>>> husband and builder Robert Laporte) of ³light clay² construction in the
>>>>> US.  You can see Paula and Robert's beautiful work at www.econesthomes.com
>>>>> <http://www.econesthomes.com/>  <http://www.econesthomes.com
>>>>> <http://www.econesthomes.com/> > , and in their book EcoNest.  Having a
>>>>> leading authority on this method of construction would be a great addition
>>>>> to the GSBN.
>>>>>  
>>>>>  Martin Hammer
>>>>>   
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>> Tom Woolley
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