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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=DE-AT link=blue vlink=purple style='tab-interval:35.4pt'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>Dear Lars<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>What an interesting discussion. I followed only partly, but some of the comments and analyses are really great for me, too.<br>E.g. I never calculated the water in natural fibres as main heat storage capacity, as mentioned by Barbara.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'>I just want to additionally mention, that the temperature differences between straw bale houses (or those insulated with cellulose) are not just an effect of the heat storage capacity due to higher masses and water content, this is also (and I would say mainly) the effect of the moisture-storage capacity of clay plasters and the cooling effect due to evaporation, when outside or indoor temperatures rise.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-ansi-language:EN-GB;mso-no-proof:yes'>Liebe Grüße / kind regards<o:p></o:p></span></p><div style='mso-element:para-border-div;border:none;border-bottom:solid windowtext 1.0pt;mso-border-bottom-alt:solid windowtext .75pt;padding:0cm 0cm 12.0pt 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='border:none;mso-border-bottom-alt:solid windowtext .75pt;padding:0cm;mso-padding-alt:0cm 0cm 12.0pt 0cm'><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-ansi-language:EN-GB;mso-no-proof:yes'>Herbert <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='border:none;mso-border-bottom-alt:solid windowtext .75pt;padding:0cm;mso-padding-alt:0cm 0cm 12.0pt 0cm'><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-ansi-language:EN-GB;mso-no-proof:yes'>asbn – austrian straw bale network<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='border:none;mso-border-bottom-alt:solid windowtext .75pt;padding:0cm;mso-padding-alt:0cm 0cm 12.0pt 0cm'><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-ansi-language:EN-GB;mso-no-proof:yes'>ESBA – European Straw Building Association</span><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-ansi-language:EN-GB;mso-no-proof:yes'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='border:none;mso-border-bottom-alt:solid windowtext .75pt;padding:0cm;mso-padding-alt:0cm 0cm 12.0pt 0cm'><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-ansi-language:EN-GB;mso-no-proof:yes'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-ansi-language:EN-GB'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=DE style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-ansi-language:DE'>Von:</span></b><span lang=DE style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-ansi-language:DE'> Gsbn [mailto:gsbn-bounces@sustainablesources.com] <b>Im Auftrag von </b>Rene Dalmeijer<br><b>Gesendet:</b> Donnerstag, 02. Mai 2019 21:29<br><b>An:</b> Global Straw Building Network<br><b>Betreff:</b> Re: [GSBN] Heat storage capacity of wall systems. Hempcrete and Decrement Delay<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'>Lars <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'>I once had the occasion to visit 2 identical pre-fab wood frame houses. It was very hot 35+ The cellulose insulated house was comfortable the the glass fiber batt wasn’t. Which shows in practice what the theory tells. I found it hard to accept that the big difference was only due to the phase shift effect. It really makes a substantial difference, mainly in the summer at least with substantial dinural temperature swings. <o:p></o:p></span></p><div id=AppleMailSignature><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'>Sent from my iPhone<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'><br>On 2 May 2019, at 19:35, Tom Woolley <<a href="mailto:tom.woolley@btconnect.com">tom.woolley@btconnect.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'>Lars <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'>You have raised a very important debate which perhaps could be the subject of a scientific conference .<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'>Maybe we should organise one!<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'>What I find interesting is that no-one has yet referred to <b>Decrement delay</b><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'><a href="https://www.new-learn.info/packages/clear/thermal/buildings/building_fabric/properties/time_lag.html">https://www.new-learn.info/packages/clear/thermal/buildings/building_fabric/properties/time_lag.html</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'>Thermal mass is important in terms of the thermal performance of buildings but its effects cannot be fully understood without also considering decrement delay<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'>The Concrete centre in the UK makes great claims about the benefits of the thermal mass of concrete for instance<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'>However measuring thermal mass in itself is not helpful without considering the decrement delay factor<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'>High thermal mass may not be beneficial if the time lag/decrement delay is too slow , as it is with concrete<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'>Despite what August says I am pretty clear that heat release from concrete is not quick but extremely slow <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'>This is why so-called night calling using exposed concrete floors is rarely heard of these days as the decrement delay in concrete means that it doesn’t warm up or cool down at the right time<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'>One of the reasons we have become fans of hempcrete is that it evens out temperature fluctuations on a 24 hour cycle and so the temperature in a building with 30 cm thick walls remains constant whatever fluctuations are taking place outside, without any heat input<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'>This is why it has become popular with the wine and food storage industry as they know they can store things in a space at a steady temperature of about 14 Degree C without any heating on cooling. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'>Sadly we have very little scientific data to back this up based on measurements at buildings.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'>Its just we know it happens from observation. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'><a href="https://www.ukhempcrete.com/hempcrete-buildings-thermal-performance-and-costs/">https://www.ukhempcrete.com/hempcrete-buildings-thermal-performance-and-costs/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'>My experience of any lightweight insulation materials such as cellulose or any of the synthetics is that they are poor at storing heat and their decrement delay is too short. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'>My own study that I am sitting in here is insulated with wood fibre boards and lightweight hemp flax quilt but on a cold day it loses heat far too quickly and heat has to be added <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'>However our hempcrete house stays comfortable all day and night long with minimal heat loss because of its excellent combination of insulation and thermal mass and its near perfect decrement delay properties<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'>One of the mysterious things about hempcrete is due to its hygroscopic properties. Hemp can take in and release water vapour and its absorption of water actually assists with its thermal performance. Water has good heat retention capacity <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'>Strawbale in my experience is not as good as hempcrete in terms of decrement delay but if built well and depending on the plaster/render it can have good decrement delay properties<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'>The pioneering work on decrement delay was done by <b>Steven Szokolay</b> in his wonderful book <i>Introduction to Architectural Science</i> first published in 2004 <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'><a href="https://www.bookdepository.com/Introduction-Architectural-Science-Steven-V-Szokolay/9780415824989">https://www.bookdepository.com/Introduction-Architectural-Science-Steven-V-Szokolay/9780415824989</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'>Neil May of Natural Building Technologies in the UK, who sadly died recently at a very young age, was an expert on decrement delay but its hard to find what he published on this <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'>This important report makes some references<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'><a href="http://goodhomes.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/GHA-Critique-of-the-Green-Guide-to-Specification-051208.pdf">http://goodhomes.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/GHA-Critique-of-the-Green-Guide-to-Specification-051208.pdf</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'>Simply comparing thermal mass without considering decrement delay will not give the full picture<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'>Tom<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'>Tom Woolley<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'>On 2 May 2019, at 17:56, August Hasz <<a href="mailto:hasz@reginc.com">hasz@reginc.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'>Lars- <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'>To do a comparison of this one single aspect of the insulation options, you need to compare the heat capacity (typically listed as energy stored per unit weight)+ the weight of the different materials. Resistance to heat transfer (R-vlaue or U-value) is typically the most important characteristic to consider. This is pretty straight forward math to do if you have access to the thermal properties of the materials being considered. With natural materials getting an exact reading can be a bit difficult because changes in moisture content (particularly for straw, wood and other organic properties) will alter the heat capacity, with and resistance to heat transfer significantly, but you should be able to find some general average values to use in a comparison. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'>The story of how this unfolds in buildings is a big more complicated though because we need that mass to be ‘active’ to be of use. For example, a similar thickness of some wood products will store as much heat as that thickness of concrete because of the difference in heat capacity, but concrete will release this heat more quickly, so if we are purely considering heat storage the concrete is likely superior BUT wood is of course renewable, has lower embodied energy and in many applications the increased resistance to heat transfer is a plus. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'>Is that helpful at all?<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'>Thanks, August<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'>August Hasz, P.E.</span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'>President</span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:15.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#D84942'>REG</span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#D84942'>Resource Engineering Group</span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'>Direct: 970.713.0984</span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'>Cell: 970.275.3603<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'><a href="mailto:hasz@reginc.com">hasz@reginc.com</a></span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'> </span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'><a href="http://www.reginc.com/">www.reginc.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'><br style='mso-special-character:line-break'><![if !supportLineBreakNewLine]><br style='mso-special-character:line-break'><![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'>On May 2, 2019, at 6:37 AM, Lars Keller <<a href="mailto:larskeller@gmail.com">larskeller@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'>We have a discussion in Denmark where some people argue, that if you compare two walls with similar insulation values, one being insulated with mineralwool, and one with wood cellulose or paper cellulose, then the wood cellulose option can retain / contain more heat thatn the mineralwool solution.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'>The advantage of this for the wood cellulose is, that this solution is then capable of absorbing more heat when there is eg more solar influx, and later release the heat into the room again, thus creating more comfort. I assume that this is a result of the cellulose option being heavier than the mineralwool option.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'><br>I would like to hear thoughts about whether my understanding is correct.</span><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'><br>I assume straw would share the benefit of the cellulose option.</span><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'>Does anyone know if we have / there is numbers to back this up ?<br><br>Best, Lars</span><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'>-- <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'>-- <br>Small Planet<br>Om vores firma ~ link<br>Om vores masseovne ~ link<br>Om vores workshops ~ link<br>Kontakt-info<br>skype<br>jomorandin<br>lars.friland<br><a href="mailto:jomorandin@gmail.com">jomorandin@gmail.com</a><br><a href="mailto:larskeller@gmail.com">larskeller@gmail.com</a><br><br>Home +45 8668 0505<br>Jo +45 2390 0924 (mobile/handy)<br>Lars +45 2024 0505 (mobile/handy)<br><br>Jo Morandin, Jamilla, Asger & Lars Keller<br>Friland 12 B<br>8410 Rønde<br>Danmark<br>---<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'>_______________________________________________<br>Gsbn mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Gsbn@sustainablesources.com">Gsbn@sustainablesources.com</a><br><a href="http://sustainablesources.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/gsbn">http://sustainablesources.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/gsbn</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'>_______________________________________________<br>Gsbn mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Gsbn@sustainablesources.com">Gsbn@sustainablesources.com</a><br><a href="http://sustainablesources.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/gsbn">http://sustainablesources.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/gsbn</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'>_______________________________________________<br>Gsbn mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Gsbn@sustainablesources.com">Gsbn@sustainablesources.com</a><br><a href="http://sustainablesources.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/gsbn">http://sustainablesources.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/gsbn</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></blockquote></div></div></body></html>