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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Lance,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Is Modcel coming to a location in California any time soon?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Best,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Nehemiah<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span style="color:#385623">Stone Energy Associates<o:p></o:p></span></i></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span style="color:#385623">PO Box 324 Loomis, CA 95650<o:p></o:p></span></i></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span style="color:#385623">(916) 663-1225<o:p></o:p></span></i></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:DTLDocumentaST-Regular;color:#1F497D">“Poverty is a symptom of economic mismanagement and social structure.” Beatrice Webb</span><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Gsbn <gsbn-bounces@sustainablesources.com> <b>On Behalf Of
</b>Lance Kairl<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, May 23, 2018 6:04 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Global Straw Building Network' <gsbn@sustainablesources.com><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [GSBN] Wall Detail<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU">Chris, Enga and all,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU">With great acknowledgement to Craig and Finlay White of Modcel and their TAM project.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU">And I trust no breach of any trademark or proprietary products.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU">Photos attached , sorry about the 4 MB size , I require tech support to make them smaller.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU">While one photo is of an exterior sample display of the of wall system it may not do the system justice.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU">As I understand it ; straw board lined exterior and interior, straw chaff filled cavity ( cut to specific lengths and filled to specific densities)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU">Gaining narrower than bale walls with higher R values than bale walls.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU">Exterior timber clad , rain screen with cavity , interior clay render ( thin decorative )<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU">All on a chassis , for theoretical moveability , but crane able onto the top of other buildings.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU">And yes as a panel and using owner assistance in construction.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU">So many inspirational people out there, so many Straw innovations. Keep up the good work.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU">Regards all .<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU">Lance Kairl<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU">Ps <b>You are all welcome to join us at the 2018 Ausbale Conference in September,<o:p></o:p></b></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-AU">Victoria Australia.<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-AU">Checkout <a href="http://www.ausbale">www.ausbale</a>.org<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-AU"><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Gsbn <<a href="mailto:gsbn-bounces@sustainablesources.com">gsbn-bounces@sustainablesources.com</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Enga Lokey<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 24 May 2018 9:42 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Global Straw Building Network <<a href="mailto:gsbn@sustainablesources.com">gsbn@sustainablesources.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [GSBN] Wall Detail<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU">Chris,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU">Thank you so much (and everyone else previously) for taking the time for such a detailed answer. Those exact issues were what prompted my question. And…... for one more cat in the pigeon coop, I am not sure what is happening
overseas, but where I live in the wheatgrowing region of Australia (I can practically see the farm where the bales for my house originated) it is actually an effort to get decent straw. For the farmer, the straw is just a waste, so the less of it the better.
Thus, the modern varieties of wheat are being developed for as little residual straw as possible i.e. short stalks big seed heads. These days the stubble hardly goes above ones ankle after the harvest. A move to 'no-till' farming (which is environmentally
fantastic) means that the stubble then remains in place and assists the next year’s crop.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU">This farming trend might mean some of the ideas in Chris’ last paragraph will become more practical in the future. What ever happened with the Stak-block (probably not spelled exactly right)? that looked like it had promise.
I am sure there are others moving along these lines also. Anyone seen it in action?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU">Thanks again to all you brilliant and dedicated people for sharing your thoughts.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">10 Lake Rd<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU">On 24 May 2018, at 9:43 am, Bohdan Dorniak <<a href="mailto:bohdan@bdcoarchitects.com.au">bohdan@bdcoarchitects.com.au</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span lang="EN-AU" style="color:#1F497D">Hi Chris</span><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span lang="EN-AU" style="color:#1F497D">Thanks for your article.</span><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span lang="EN-AU" style="color:#1F497D">Keep the good work going on the panels – and here in Aussie we look forward to any further interesting developments</span><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span class="apple-converted-space"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"> </span></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">Gsbn
[<a href="mailto:gsbn-bounces@sustainablesources.com">mailto:gsbn-bounces@sustainablesources.com</a>]<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Chris Magwood<br>
<b>Sent:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Thursday, 24 May 2018 7:12 AM<br>
<b>To:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:gsbn@sustainablesources.com">gsbn@sustainablesources.com</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [GSBN] Wall Detail</span><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Hi Enga, and all who've waded into this fascinating discussion...<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">I'm really glad to be reading this thread, there's a lot of rich questions and ideas here, and I think there's a lot of value in exploring them. Perhaps this discussion can be a
central part of an upcoming Int'l Straw Bale gathering? I would love to have that kind of extended opportunity to talk about these things.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">But I have some thoughts that I'd like to get out there in this forum, as a response to what I've read so far. This stuff is highly relevant to my own practice lately, and I'm churning
this stuff over in my mind a lot.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">I found myself came in this field of endeavour as an owner-builder, attracted by the apparent simplicity of bale building and all the other great benefits that the renaissance pioneers
(many of whom are on this list!) brought to our attention. Having lived through making all the obvious mistakes I made on my first house, I got really passionate about figuring out how to do straw bale building better to save others from the same mistakes.
Thus began a couple of decades of building and research...<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Along the way, all kinds of things happened that have informed and re-directed my efforts and energies. I'm going to point-form these to keep this message shorter:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3;background:white"><b><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Issues with exterior plaster finishes</span></b><span class="apple-converted-space"><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> </span></span><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">(in
particular in a region with little to no plaster experience, and a cold, wet climate and citizens who are used to "maintenance-free" brick and vinyl cladding). All of the really serious mistakes/failures with bale buildings in this part of the world are due
to issues with plaster and plaster detailing. The cost of plaster finishes, whether in time for owner/builders or cost for those doing the work professionally is also highly relevant.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3;background:white"><b><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Issues with code.</span></b><span class="apple-converted-space"><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> </span></span><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Though
we all know that load-bearing buildings can and do work, and can even get permits (we've done over a dozen here), in this part of the world it requires a structural engineer to stick her/his neck out to approve this, and this costs owners a lot of money and
inevitably slows down permit times. There are also many who simply can't find an engineer willing/able to do this for them.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3;background:white"><b><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Issues with building process/weather.</span></b><span class="apple-converted-space"><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> </span></span><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Ontario
has a fairly short building season, and one during which it can rain suddenly and heavily on any given day. I often wonder if the number of poly tarps sacrificed to keep bale walls dry in this part of the world outweighs all the environmental plusses... I'm
sure the answer is no, but the amount of time spent tarping and untarping and the costs in time and labour (and tarpage) is significant, and the reason that many builders have pursued wood frame options to enable a roof to go overhead before bales go in. We
also can't plaster exteriors here for 6 months of the year due to freezing conditions, which also provides challenges aplenty.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3;background:white"><b><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Issues with energy efficiency.</span></b><span class="apple-converted-space"><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> </span></span><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Seems
crazy to think, but our R-30 (ish) bale walls that were outstandingly energy efficient 20 years ago are only just going to meet code minimum requirements here in Canada within a couple of years. While a bale house was remarkably energy efficient back then,
we cold-climate inhabitants have learned that if we want to be serious about reducing energy use, it takes something more than a standard bale wall to get there. Net zero homes are a good idea, and we can't do that very effectively with a typical bale wall
in our climate. There are also issues around getting plastered bale buildings to be airtight enough to be truly energy efficient... many crews have figured this out, but it's not straightforward or simple.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3;background:white"><b><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Issues with "replicability."</span></b><span class="apple-converted-space"><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> </span></span><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Though
many professional bale builders have been able to develop systems and crews that allow them to compete with conventional builders, it's clear by now that straw bale building isn't going to take the mainstream building world by storm. That in itself isn't a
bad thing... bale building can fill an important niche for both professionals and owner-builders. But for those who want more buildings to have the improved ecological and carbon footprint that comes naturally with bale buildings, it is something of a conundrum...
how do we achieve this if straw bales are not the go-to solution for 99.9% of builders?<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3;background:white"><b><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Carbon positive building.</span></b><span class="apple-converted-space"><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> </span></span><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">One
of the great things about bale buildings is that they can store a whack of biogenic carbon, and can even contribute to "carbon positive" buildings that store more carbon than was emitted in making them. But not all bale buildings do this... I've certainly
seen bale buildings with enough concrete, steel, lime, glass and other high emissions materials to negate the carbon positivity of the bale walls. And for those concerned with carbon positive building, there are other ways to make a carbon positive building
using other materials, and getting the same result for the planet without using bales.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3;background:white"><i><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">***It doesn't elude me that all of these issues are definitely "first world problems!" The humble load-bearing
bale building only faces these issues when trying to compete with conventional options. If we can change people's expectations of what a house should be, this whole discussion would be a lot less central...</span></i><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">My efforts in the field of prefab straw bale walls have all been attempts to address these key issues and still use the material I love so much. Prefab panels have allowed us to
use the simplicity of load-bearing design without facing the weather issues of plastering outside, and also simplifying the plastering process so that it is much, much less time consuming, fussy and skilled a task (because it's done with the panel lying down
flat... working with gravity!). Though it hasn't been done very often, I see these kind of panels as highly appropriate for owner builders who can build them in place on their floor deck, and get them built, plastered and stood up in an easy, manageable process,
without needing lots of volunteers and being able to adequately protect one or two panels from inclement weather quite easily. Those who have done this have really benefited from the technique, and are among the best owner-built homes I've ever seen, and certainly
the quickest, most affordable and painless (and, dare I say, straightest). These plastered prefab walls help address code issues (engineers seem happier if they know the plaster is a consistent thickness, provides a straight load path, and won't delaminate
between coats), and offer a path to replicability that is much more direct than with site built bales. The plaster finish is also straight enough that mounting a rain screen cladding where appropriate is suddenly very simple to do. For all of these reasons
(and more), I've been really happy with our plastered prefab panels, and continue to advocate for them.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">However, the plastered panels are still limited in regards to their energy efficiency, and the weight involved in making a pre-plastered panel. Our most recent versions of "dry"
panels are an attempt to address all the above issues. By using insulated sheathing (wood fiber board, which is as eco-friendly as a manufactured material can get and more vapour permeable than earthen plaster) we up our energy efficiency an important notch,
and simplify air sealing details greatly. The labour time for making panels is reduced significantly by eliminating the plaster. And by adding the wood fiber board, we're storing more biogenic carbon (even earthen plaster doesn't do that!).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Do our weird boxes stuffed with bales seem a long way off from my beginnings as a bale builder? Yup indeed. But do they satisfy all of the things that are important to me as a builder?
Yup, they do. We can even use clay plaster on the interior (haven't yet, but hope to soon!).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">So that's one way (a little long-winded... sorry!) to keep using straw bales and to address all the issues that have proven difficult for our practice here in Ontario. We've experimented
with others (like using round bales as load-bearing columns, and using jumbo bales), but none have had the simplicity and elegance of the "dry" panel.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">I have certainly seen some potential solutions to straw bale problems that are less than elegant, and at that point I do think it is worthwhile asking if bales are the right material
to be using. The second I see anybody sawing, channeling or notching a bale, I immediately wonder if this is an appropriate strategy. Why not cellulose, another carbon-storing, recycled material that fills any void perfectly? Why not hempcrete or straw/clay,
also great at filling framing cavities? Why not an exterior or interior frame of some kind that won't interface with the bales? These are all important questions to ask, and I think it's important that as practitioners we are open to asking them and to arriving
at an answer that is not straw bale.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">I also think that we could collectively be thinking about new ways to use the amazing straw resources we have. Can we shred straw and use it like cellulose? Can we make stacking,
interlocking bales? Can we make bales that fit into standard framing dimensions without any on-site carving? Can bales come with a base coat of plaster on the exterior and interior so they can be dry-stacked, easily cut, and be weather protected? These possibilities,
and many more, exist for us to explore (and there are those out there doing these things right now... let's learn from them and support them!). After all, from a climate perspective, we grow enough cereal grains every year that the straw absorbs twice as much
carbon as is emitted by all human transportation! Turns out those little stalks are the most effective carbon capture and storage machines ever invented. And we've all been doing the right thing by bundling some if it up and putting it in houses for a long
time. If we can figure out ways to make it easy for people to do more of that - even if it doesn't match our preconceived notions of a "straw bale house."<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">I think these are the issues/questions that underlie this discussion, and I for one am keen to engage with others on figuring out solutions!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Whew, that was long-winded. Thanks to anybody who read this far!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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by the use of strawbales in the methods discussed below and others that seem to be the direction that strawbale is moving (i.e. building wrap, 2x6 framing on 24in centers, external timber sheathing, etc). More specifically, it appears that the building methods
are being adjusted toward a more standard construction to the point of wondering why the strawbale is even still used? There are other cellulose based products and other more natural or healthy insulation products on the market. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Is that benefit still there when used in this way? Are we not using equal/more other materials in order to build with straw in these methods? Is it justified? <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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I did a pre-fab 5 story SB build akin to the system used by David in 2007. The difference being we used Fermacell with breathable housewrap on the outside clad with open horizontal larch cladding. This has been performing very well even though there have been
some leeks due to caulking problems in the window frames, No mushy bales.<br>
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This has become my preferred Pre-fab SB method. Although I am now involved in a pre-fab build without any earth plaster on the bales at all, shudder! The bales will vertically stacked in prefab elements with underlayment inner and outer skins with wooden vertical
slab siding.<br>
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We completed a recent project using a ‘Hybrid Wall System’, employing typical 2x6 studs at 24” on center with plywood sheathing (note - plywood, not OSB - but in a non-seismic zone wood fiberboard or similar may suffice), and then installed the bales as insulation
on-end between the studs, using clay plaster on the interior and a typical weather-barrier and cladding finish on the exterior. Attached is an illustration of the system, and here are links to the workshop and the finished building, a 34,000 mixed use office
and warehouse in Eugene, Oregon.<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
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<a href="http://www.arkintilt.com/ata-helps-host-casba-hybrid-straw-bale-workshop-our-mahonia-building-eugene-oregon"><span style="color:purple">http://www.arkintilt.com/ata-helps-host-casba-hybrid-straw-bale-workshop-our-mahonia-building-eugene-oregon</span></a><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
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Also attached is a picture of the wall under construction. We used 3-string rye bales and held them tight to the plywood with 4” wide strips of 1/2” plywood, and 12” Timber-Hex screws into the studs (we'll use 14” screws next time - easier to find the studs,
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I also have the WUFI analysis our building efficiency consultant ran for various locations - they can run a weather file specific to Wilmington if you wish. LMK.<br>
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This is not quite a ‘StrawCell’ as it doesn’t feature cellulose, but it could be appropriate to Delaware. <br>
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Looks like a great project,<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
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David / ATA & CASBA<br>
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Here's a detail from our last straw-cell project. Hope it's helpful to you. You can contact me off list if you want to discuss it.<br>
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I'm consulting with a non-profit (<a href="http://www.yinnovations.org/"><span style="color:purple">http://www.yinnovations.org/</span></a>) to build an affordable straw home for a low income family. Their current engineering was provided by someone unfamiliar
with straw bale building and is coming up pretty short of being a low carbon, sustainable, or natural design. So we are moving to a straw cell design to help ease any engineering and building official concerns about the straw bale part. My question is--
does anyone have a good straw cell wall detail drawing they can point me to or donate to the effort?<br>
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Y Innovations, Inc.<br>
<a href="http://www.yinnovations.org/"><span style="color:purple">www.yinnovations.org</span></a><br>
2903 North Jefferson Street 2903 North Jefferson Street is a 4500 square foot vacant lot in the city of Wilmington, where Y Innovations will be completing a 630 square foot naturally-built straw bale home in 2018.<br>
Thanks<br>
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Doug Nichols<br>
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Creating Energy Efficient Homes Since 1995<br>
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Nichols Contracting LLC<br>
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