<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class=""><div style="letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div style="letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div style="letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div style="orphans: 2; widows: 2;" class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; line-height: normal; border-spacing: 0px;"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: -webkit-auto; border-spacing: 0px;"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: -webkit-auto; border-spacing: 0px;"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: -webkit-auto; border-spacing: 0px;"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: -webkit-auto; border-spacing: 0px;"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div style="orphans: auto; widows: auto;" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Enga, </div></div></div></span></div></span></div></span></div></span></div></span></div></div></div></div></div><br class=""></div><div><div class=""><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">I’ll take a shot at answering this question as I’ve been pushing this idea of bales "on end” between the studs for a while here in California, and the job David showed is a great example. Yes, this is a hybrid, but as another option, there are advantages:<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Seismic bracing: after years of devising various steel strap and mesh bracing systems it’s clear that ply shear walls are sensible and affordable for earthquake country, especially for 2 story buildings. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Bales on end: our first house with this approach we notched bales laid flat into the stud bays, and now laying the bales up on end just fitting between 2x4’s at 2’ o.c. seems a natural.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Going more mainstream: after years of straw bale housing stuck in a niche, it appeals to me to work with stud wall framing, for efficiency and acceptance. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Bales on the interior: this allows the interior plaster to be non-structural lime or clay, and still has the thermal mass and aesthetic benefits on the inside.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Exterior moisture management: in our climate ply and siding works, though fiberboard sheathing would be better, and in colder, humid and non-seismic areas fiberboard sheathing needed to address condensation issues. Clearly the “straw-cell” provides more insulation for more extreme conditions, but this “stud bale” simpler version still gives R30+ and thermal mass.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Exterior Siding Flexibility: for cost and preference it allows alternate sidings, and we’ve found the typical exterior plaster the most expensive part of bale walls.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Affordability: this comes from a builder client who wouldn’t do straw bale until we showed him this idea, and it only takes up 15” of wall depth, an easier sell in urban areas and allows less concrete foundation.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Maximizing carbon sequestration: yes, this is a hybrid, but more houses with more straw makes more of a dent. Straw and small dimension lumber can be partners within the larger objective of pulling carbon out of the atmosphere.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">cheers,</div><div class="">Dan</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div class="">
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<div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On May 15, 2018, at 6:02 PM, Enga Lokey <<a href="mailto:enga@thelokeys.net" class="">enga@thelokeys.net</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8" class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class="">Hello you amazing builders/designers,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">At the risk of being chucked off the list for this question, I would like to play devil’s advocate here and ask what is being achieved by the use of strawbales in the methods discussed below and others that seem to be the direction that strawbale is moving (i.e. building wrap, 2x6 framing on 24in centers, external timber sheathing, etc). More specifically, it appears that the building methods are being adjusted toward a more standard construction to the point of wondering why the strawbale is even still used? There are other cellulose based products and other more natural or healthy insulation products on the market. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">We are all aware of the challenges of working with straw and thus there needs to be, in balance, a greater benefit in order to justify. Is that benefit still there when used in this way? Are we not using equal/more other materials in order to build with straw in these methods? Is it justified? </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">And as the saying goes, "just because I am confused does not mean you are incorrect."</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Cheers,</div><div class="">Enga</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div class=""><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; border-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; border-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; " class=""><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; border-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; " class=""><div class=""><div class=""><a href="mailto:enga@thelokeys.net" class="">enga@thelokeys.net</a></div></div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div></span><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"></div></span><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"></span><br class="Apple-interchange-newline">
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<br class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 15 May 2018, at 9:21 pm, Rene Dalmeijer <<a href="mailto:rdalmeij@mac.com" class="">rdalmeij@mac.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="">Doug,<br class=""><br class="">I did a pre-fab 5 story SB build akin to the system used by David in 2007. The difference being we used Fermacell with breathable housewrap on the outside clad with open horizontal larch cladding. This has been performing very well even though there have been some leeks due to caulking problems in the window frames, No mushy bales.<br class=""><br class="">This has become my preferred Pre-fab SB method. Although I am now involved in a pre-fab build without any earth plaster on the bales at all, shudder! The bales will vertically stacked in prefab elements with underlayment inner and outer skins with wooden vertical slab siding.<br class=""><br class=""><br class="">Rene Dalmeijer Proces Advies<br class="">Thomas Hoodstraat 2<br class="">1086 WE Amsterdam<br class=""><br class="">06 48955419<br class=""><br class="">KvK 34243755<br class="">BTW NL057444146B01<br class="">NL18ASNB0932817343 <br class="">new email <a href="mailto:rdalmeij@mac.com" class="">rdalmeij@mac.com</a><br class=""><br class="">IBAN NL09INGB0004388720<br class="">BIC INGBNL2A<br class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">On May14, 2018, at 18:42, David Arkin, AIA <<a href="mailto:david@arkintilt.com" class="">david@arkintilt.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""><br class="">Hello Doug:<br class=""><br class="">We completed a recent project using a ‘Hybrid Wall System’, employing typical 2x6 studs at 24” on center with plywood sheathing (note - plywood, not OSB - but in a non-seismic zone wood fiberboard or similar may suffice), and then installed the bales as insulation on-end between the studs, using clay plaster on the interior and a typical weather-barrier and cladding finish on the exterior. Attached is an illustration of the system, and here are links to the workshop and the finished building, a 34,000 mixed use office and warehouse in Eugene, Oregon. <br class=""><br class=""><a href="http://www.arkintilt.com/ata-helps-host-casba-hybrid-straw-bale-workshop-our-mahonia-building-eugene-oregon" class="">http://www.arkintilt.com/ata-helps-host-casba-hybrid-straw-bale-workshop-our-mahonia-building-eugene-oregon</a> <br class=""><br class=""><a href="http://www.arkintilt.com/salvaged-materials-mahonia" class="">http://www.arkintilt.com/salvaged-materials-mahonia</a><br class=""><br class="">Also attached is a picture of the wall under construction. We used 3-string rye bales and held them tight to the plywood with 4” wide strips of 1/2” plywood, and 12” Timber-Hex screws into the studs (we'll use 14” screws next time - easier to find the studs, and a better connection). <br class=""><br class="">I also have the WUFI analysis our building efficiency consultant ran for various locations - they can run a weather file specific to Wilmington if you wish. LMK.<br class=""><br class="">This is not quite a ‘StrawCell’ as it doesn’t feature cellulose, but it could be appropriate to Delaware. <br class=""><br class="">Looks like a great project, <br class=""><br class="">David / ATA & CASBA<br class=""><br class=""><2017-0224 YW2 bale corner detail2.jpg><br class=""><IMG_9936.JPG><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">On May 14, 2018, at 8:47 AM, Chris Magwood <<a href="mailto:chris@endeavourcentre.org" class="">chris@endeavourcentre.org</a>> wrote:<br class=""><br class="">Hi Doug,<br class=""><br class="">Here's a detail from our last straw-cell project. Hope it's helpful to you. You can contact me off list if you want to discuss it.<br class=""><br class="">Cheers,<br class=""><br class="">Chris<br class=""><br class="">On 2018-05-14 11:03 AM, douglas nichols wrote:<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">Hello All<br class=""><br class="">I'm consulting with a non-profit (<a href="http://www.yinnovations.org/" class="">http://www.yinnovations.org/</a>) to build an affordable straw home for a low income family. Their current engineering was provided by someone unfamiliar with straw bale building and is coming up pretty short of being a low carbon, sustainable, or natural design. So we are moving to a straw cell design to help ease any engineering and building official concerns about the straw bale part. 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