<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">I have a dreadful feeling of “only in America” about this thread - but hey - we have the opportunity of solving several natural building issues relating to people’s safety and building durability issues at once.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Bullets will simply wreck any plaster system, and we always grapple with rain screens so the answer will surely be to now specify: </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div class="">Depleted uranium rain screens over breathable plaster on the exterior of strawbale buildings, along with bullet proof glass in windows.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The challenge to architects will be to make DU look pretty.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">And remember folks - the Murricans have previously done impact penetration tests of various armaments into mud bricks ( I’ve got them somewhere) so maybe the other answer is mud brick and not strawbale.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">(And a dreadful observation that the target is a black person, given various news items recently)</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">2c worth</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Graeme</div><div class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 18/08/2016, at 4:56 AM, Tom Hahn <<a href="mailto:tomhahn@econet.org" class="">tomhahn@econet.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">John, and all - Not sure if that article is from this long ago, but it sounds similar to the one I remember being offered to The Last Straw<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class="">in about 1996-97,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">when I was editor. They were requesting a</span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>fairly significant publishing fee, but a</span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">t the time our circumstances didn't allow for that, so we decided to decline. I don't think we were ever sent a copy of the whole article, but if so, it might be deep in the printed or digital archives of TLS from about 1996-97 (anything sound familiar Jeff? Joyce? Catherine?<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class="">Matts?</span><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">).</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><div class="moz-signature" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><br class=""><span style="" class="">Best to everyone,</span><br style="" class=""><span class=""><span style="" class=""><br class="">Tom Hahn; RA, LEED-AP<br class=""></span><span class=""><span style="" class="">Architectural Design Studio Instructor, Pro-tem<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><br style="" class=""><span style="" class="">School of Architecture and Allied Arts<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><br style="" class=""><span style="" class="">University of Oregon - Eugene Campus<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><br style="" class=""><span style="" class="">p:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span __postbox-detected-content="__postbox-detected-phone" class="__postbox-detected-content __postbox-detected-phone" style="display: inline; font-size: inherit; padding: 0pt;"><span __postbox-detected-content="__postbox-detected-phone" class="__postbox-detected-content __postbox-detected-phone" style="display: inline; font-size: inherit; padding: 0pt;">541-285-0868</span></span><span style="" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><br style="" class=""><span style="" class="">e:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:tomh@uoregon.edu" style="text-decoration: underline;">tomh@uoregon.edu</a><span style="" class=""> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><br style="" class=""><span style="" class="">e:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:tomhahn@econet.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">tomhahn@econet.org</a></span><br class=""></span></span></div><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><blockquote cite="mid:CAKij1dszyka6ypGfPkNahnAXHEvrR3AA9cm0HMsva6BrrX4Fng@mail.gmail.com" type="cite" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); border: 0px none;" class=""><div class="__pbConvHr" style="margin: 30px 25px 10px;"><div style="display: table; width: 878px; border-top-width: 1px; border-top-style: solid; border-top-color: rgb(237, 238, 240); padding-top: 5px;" class=""><div style="display: table-cell; white-space: nowrap; vertical-align: middle; width: 723px;" class=""><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:jswearingen@skillful-means.com" style="color: rgb(115, 127, 146) !important; text-decoration: none !important; padding-right: 6px; font-weight: bold;" class="">John Swearingen</a></div><div style="display: table-cell; white-space: nowrap; vertical-align: middle;" class=""><font color="#9FA2A5" class=""><span style="padding-left: 6px;" class="">August 17, 2016 at 7:34 AM</span></font></div></div></div><div __pbrmquotes="true" class="__pbConvBody" style="color: rgb(136, 136, 136); margin-left: 24px; margin-right: 24px;"><div dir="ltr" class=""><span id="cid:part1.06040605.03020604@econet.org"><image.jpg></span><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The only test that I know was done by the husband of a woman who wrote an article on strawbale for Survival Magazine. This is probably what John G remembers hearing about. Somewhere I have a copy of that magazine filed away. The bales stopped or slowed light caliber bullets, but not heavier ones, like a 30-30..</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">This is a picture of the bales at the police station project that we worked on earlier this year. The target was courtesy of the police, who had a lot of very interesting comments to make about their new SWAT locker. :)</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">John "Out on Bail" Swearingen</div><br class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">_______________________________________________<br class="">Gsbn mailing list<br class=""><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Gsbn@sustainablesources.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">Gsbn@sustainablesources.com</a><br class=""><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://sustainablesources.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/gsbn" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">http://sustainablesources.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/gsbn</a><br class=""></div></div><div class="__pbConvHr" style="margin: 30px 25px 10px;"><div style="display: table; width: 878px; border-top-width: 1px; border-top-style: solid; border-top-color: rgb(237, 238, 240); padding-top: 5px;" class=""><div style="display: table-cell; white-space: nowrap; vertical-align: middle; width: 723px;" class=""><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:rehorn@frontier.net" style="color: rgb(115, 127, 146) !important; text-decoration: none !important; padding-right: 6px; font-weight: bold;" class="">john rehorn</a></div><div style="display: table-cell; white-space: nowrap; vertical-align: middle;" class=""><font color="#9FA2A5" class=""><span style="padding-left: 6px;" class="">August 16, 2016 at 5:38 PM</span></font></div></div></div><div __pbrmquotes="true" class="__pbConvBody" style="color: rgb(136, 136, 136); margin-left: 24px; margin-right: 24px;">I’d be willing to give it a try and document it on video. I’m guessing that the caliber of bullet used for armed conflict is similar to a 30-30, and my guess is that it would go right through it at 100 feet. Cement plaster would slow it quite a bit. Want me to set it up? I probably need to do it in September when farming slows down. No paperwork would be required, LOL.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">John Rehorn<br class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">_______________________________________________<br class="">Gsbn mailing list<br class=""><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Gsbn@sustainablesources.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">Gsbn@sustainablesources.com</a><br class=""><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://sustainablesources.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/gsbn" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">http://sustainablesources.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/gsbn</a><br class=""></div></div><div class="__pbConvHr" style="margin: 30px 25px 10px;"><div style="display: table; width: 878px; border-top-width: 1px; border-top-style: solid; border-top-color: rgb(237, 238, 240); padding-top: 5px;" class=""><div style="display: table-cell; white-space: nowrap; vertical-align: middle; width: 723px;" class=""><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:jacksflat@gmail.com" style="color: rgb(115, 127, 146) !important; text-decoration: none !important; padding-right: 6px; font-weight: bold;" class="">John Glassford</a></div><div style="display: table-cell; white-space: nowrap; vertical-align: middle;" class=""><font color="#9FA2A5" class=""><span style="padding-left: 6px;" class="">August 16, 2016 at 2:31 PM</span></font></div></div></div><div __pbrmquotes="true" class="__pbConvBody" style="color: rgb(136, 136, 136); margin-left: 24px; margin-right: 24px;"><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: verdana, sans-serif; font-size: small;">G ' day Darcy</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: verdana, sans-serif; font-size: small;"><br class=""></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: verdana, sans-serif; font-size: small;">I remember a conversation with the Straw Dogs when we visited California on the Great International Straw Bale Caravan from Tuscon to San Francisco cannot exactly remember the year 1998 I think.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: verdana, sans-serif; font-size: small;"><br class=""></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: verdana, sans-serif; font-size: small;"><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://semmesco.com/" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">Turko Semmes</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>and the other Straw Dog talked about firing certain types of guns into straw bales.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: verdana, sans-serif; font-size: small;"><br class=""></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family: verdana, sans-serif; font-size: small;">It was a fun morning and we laughed a lot however the conversation is sort of fuzzy now but I am sure they said that a rendered SB would stop a .303 bullet. I may be wrong.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><div class=""><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature" class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><font face="verdana, sans-serif" class="">Kind regards<br class="">John Glassford<br class="">Huff 'n' Puff Constructions<br class=""><a moz-do-not-send="true" target="_blank" href="http://www.glassford.com.au/" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">http://www.glassford.com.au</a><br class="">61 2 6927 6027<br class="">In Australia (02) 6927 6027</font><div class=""><font face="verdana, sans-serif" class="">Mobile 0412 11 61 57</font></div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class="">_______________________________________________<br class="">Gsbn mailing list<br class=""><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Gsbn@sustainablesources.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">Gsbn@sustainablesources.com</a><br class=""><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://sustainablesources.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/gsbn" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">http://sustainablesources.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/gsbn</a><br class=""></div></div><div class="__pbConvHr" style="margin: 30px 25px 10px;"><div style="display: table; width: 878px; border-top-width: 1px; border-top-style: solid; border-top-color: rgb(237, 238, 240); padding-top: 5px;" class=""><div style="display: table-cell; white-space: nowrap; vertical-align: middle; width: 717px;" class=""><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:darcey@paksbab.org" style="color: rgb(115, 127, 146) !important; text-decoration: none !important; padding-right: 6px; font-weight: bold;" class="">Darcey Donovan</a></div><div style="display: table-cell; white-space: nowrap; vertical-align: middle;" class=""><font color="#9FA2A5" class=""><span style="padding-left: 6px;" class="">August 16, 2016 at 11:15 AM</span></font></div></div></div><div __pbrmquotes="true" class="__pbConvBody" style="color: rgb(136, 136, 136); margin-left: 24px; margin-right: 24px;"><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1;"><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Hello friends,<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Are there any tests out there regarding the bullet resistance of straw bale walls? It is a concern in Pakistan, and I've received an inquiry about it and if cement plaster would increase it.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Our bales are 13" thick and we use earthen plasters, lime-stabilized earthen plasters and lime plasters.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Thanks,<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Darcey<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Darcey Messner Donovan, P.E.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Pakistan Straw Bale and Appropriate Building (PAKSBAB)<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">+1-530-902-5516 Ph<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:darcey@paksbab.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="color: blue;" class="">darcey@paksbab.org</span></a><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="x-msg://4/www.paksbab.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="color: blue;" class="">www.paksbab.org</span></a><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class="">_______________________________________________<br class="">Gsbn mailing list<br class=""><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Gsbn@sustainablesources.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">Gsbn@sustainablesources.com</a><br class=""><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://sustainablesources.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/gsbn" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">http://sustainablesources.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/gsbn</a><br class=""></div></div></blockquote><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">_______________________________________________</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">Gsbn mailing list</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><a href="mailto:Gsbn@sustainablesources.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class="">Gsbn@sustainablesources.com</a><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><a href="http://sustainablesources.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/gsbn" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class="">http://sustainablesources.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/gsbn</a><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></div></div></body></html>