<div dir="ltr">Hi folks,<div><br></div><div>The "necessity" of the add'l insulation is for folks trying to get to a loosely-accepted R40 minimum wall assembly for high-performance homes (nothing formal here, just loose guidelines) in cold climates. In our climate (IECC Zone 5), the <R30 bale wall doesn't really cut it, at least not in all applications. This was a primary motivation for our hybrid system. We are also playing with installing insulated fiberboard sheathing on prefab wall panels to get to R40, but that's a different construction modality than the stick frame approach in question here.</div><div><br></div><div>So, to that end - here are a few links about the StrawCell system. Nothing definitive here, but some early works-in-progress concept stuff. We've since delved more deeply into details, Jim et al I'm happy to get into those details as is helpful.</div><div><br></div><div><a href="http://newframeworks.com/strawcell/">Introduction video</a> to the concept</div><div><a href="http://newframeworks.com/2015/02/strawcell-3rd-generation-strawbale-wall/">Article</a> first published in GreenBuildingAdvisor</div><div><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJ3Qzqvv-S8">Video of a demo</a> we gave at BuildingEnergy13</div><div><a href="http://thelaststraw.org/a-straw-cell-wall-system/">Article</a> Chris Magwood wrote for The Last Straw on their work w the system</div><div><br></div><div>Jim, happy to serve as a reference, you can credit Jacob Deva Racusin, New Frameworks Natural Design/Build</div><div><br></div><div>Would love to hear others' experiences with this system - we've figured out a few ways to make it go faster and integrate into pre-insulated assemblies, curious to hear how it goes for you! Best of luck, share your details!</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div>Jacob</div><div> </div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 11:45 AM, Jim Carfrae <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jim.carfrae@plymouth.ac.uk" target="_blank">jim.carfrae@plymouth.ac.uk</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial">I’m adding an extra layer of insulation to keep up with current standards like PassivHaus (I don’t build PassivHaus, but clients like to hear that you’re using similar levels of insulation….)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial">Jacob, If I continue using a version of this method would you like to be credited in the documentation for planning approval etc?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b>To: </b>Global Straw GSBN <<a href="mailto:gsbn@sustainablesources.com" target="_blank">gsbn@sustainablesources.com</a>></span></p><div><div class="h5"><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [GSBN] Straw on edge with stick (stud) frame<u></u><u></u></div></div><p></p>
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<b>Reply-To:<span> </span></b>Global Straw Building Network <<a href="mailto:gsbn@sustainablesources.com" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">gsbn@sustainablesources.com</span></a>><br>
<b>Date:<span> </span></b>Tuesday, 5 July 2016 at 14:48<br>
<b>To:<span> </span></b>Global Straw Building Network <<a href="mailto:gsbn@sustainablesources.com" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">gsbn@sustainablesources.com</span></a>><br>
<b>Subject:<span> </span></b>Re: [GSBN] Straw on edge with stick (stud) frame</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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use it soon, working with Bruce King as engineer. I’d be happy to chat as well and send details.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<b>Date:<span> </span></b>Tuesday, 5 July 2016 at 13:39<br>
<b>To:<span> </span></b>Global Straw Building Network <<a href="mailto:gsbn@sustainablesources.com" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">gsbn@sustainablesources.com</span></a>><br>
<b>Subject:<span> </span></b>Re: [GSBN] Straw on edge with stick (stud) frame</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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