<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div>Seems to me that lots of people would like to know more about optimal density of agricultural fibers as insulation. Not because it would mean much to bale builders, for all the reasons just articulated by y’all, but because there is a wide array of insulating straw building products just itching to enter the market, and they would like to be as good as possible.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I’m part of one of them, Stak Block (and yes, we have only built one tiny cabin so far), but I know of many others hovering at various stages of development. If they are to get anywhere we would need:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">- to stop fossilizing fossil fuels so much (not holding my breath)</div><div class="">- to develop a cheap, clean, durable binder to replace MDI and formaldehydes</div><div class="">- to develop effective mobile manufacturing — small but profitable rolling manufacturing plants that can be pulled by truck or rail to grain farms as the season is right.</div><div class="">- to know how dense to make straw blocks, panels, and “foams”</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Straw bale construction isn’t going to save the world, but it can and should serve as a sort of culture shifter that opens up widespread use of ag by-products (rather than cement and plastic foam) to provide safe, warm shelter.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">So it would be nice to know optimal density for each straw or fiber.</div><div class=""><br class=""><div apple-content-edited="true" class="">
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It would be chasing rainbows to expect every farmer to produce an identical bale with factory consistency and industrial precision. On the other hand, the wide variation that John Straube has mentioned might point to a farmer’s ability to produce better bales
without much effort. I’m not sure how many farmers are in dialog with bale builders worldwide, but in my experience, it is normal for the farmer and the builder to discuss the builder’s needs before the baling starts. If minor adjustments to the baler were
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Just about ANY strawbale wall will give higher R values than just about anything else in the natural building world. The science is one thing, and really reaslly good to know, so once again I give my thanks to those who persue this, but the practical application
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Talk of re-compressing bales, hammer milling straw etc, all head in the direction of energy dense manufacturered materials. This may have some use in making thinner prefab walls but moves away from owner built houses where so much of the true joy and affordability
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For my 2c worth, If there was one bit of research I would love to see in s/b is an external rain-screen that can be incorporated simply and reliably into/onto an external plaster system that will keep straw and any penetrations in that system, well and truely
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