<div dir="ltr">I totally agree with Derek. This GSBN format is unique also because of the information quality, expected in each discussion. <div><br></div><div>Facebook business it's based on the quantity of discussions and number of "users", good to spread quick messages. The combination between both is a good way to help spread the technical content published in GSBN, but that is all.<div>
<br></div><div>Both realities are important, of course, but they are diferent.</div><div><br></div><div>Please keep GSBN like it is. If I may give a sugestion, the GSBN repository it is very important and should be organized in a simple but eficient structure ( multi-categories), with a search engine to help find the information. Sometime ago I was looking for information concerning "foundations" and I had to use a software to "grab" all info from GSBN and then make a search. Its a lot of work... I guess this repository could be part of Bruce's portal?</div>
<div><br></div><div>All the best</div><div><br></div><div>Jorge Van Krieken</div></div><div>Portugal</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 6:44 PM, André de Bouter <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:forum@lamaisonenpaille.com" target="_blank">forum@lamaisonenpaille.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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I've tried facebook, to see what it is, but am not much inclined to
increase my use of it (allready to complicated for me ;-) and I
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Yup, I also agree completely with Derek. Let Facebook groups do
what they do best -- act as successors to the first straw bale
lists serves that were forever boiling with newbies -- and let
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<div>We've never been snooty about allowing anyone in who has
decent credibility, and I don't imagine anyone wants to change
that. Yet we've never been encumbered by noise, rants, or other
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<div>I love GSBN. Long live GSBN and noble Bill who keeps us
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Well said as usual.<br>
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On 2/28/14 9:46 AM, Derek Stearns Roff wrote:<br>
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specific question of GSBNs future structure. I'm
finding it challenging to follow this topic mixed in
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<div>I favor continuing GSBN as it is. I think it
serves a valuable and unique niche. Our members have
differing needs, and GSBN serves some of those needs
well. In my view, we have created an important
community on GSBN, that I want to maintain. The fact
that the list is quiet for weeks at a time is a
virtue. It allows important mutual support
and high-level discussion on topics when needed, and
isn't a burden during the rest of the time. </div>
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<div>Facebook serves other needs and other forms of use.
The Strawbale list on Facebook has existed for I
don't know how long- more than a year. It has more
than 1,100 members. Some members of GSBN are on the
Facebook SB list, and everyone could be, if they
wanted to be. But closing GSBN would not enhance the
Facebook group, it would just eliminate the unique
community that we have here. You can't have this kind
of community and interaction on a list with Facebook's
level of traffic, member quantity, and mix of topics
and postings. Facebook is great for reaching a lot of
people in a fairly superficial way. That is
important, but it isn't the only thing that is
important. GSBN is important too. </div>
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<div>On 2/27/14 8:10 PM, Frank Tettemer wrote:<br>
<blockquote type="cite">Tony, that was a wake up
for me. I hadn't even considered Liz might not
be on the list. And so I began to consider who
else might not be on the list.<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">In an effort to leave no
stones unturned, I would like to nominate the
following:<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">Anna Wolfson<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">Michael Henry<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">Emily Rydell Niehaus<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">I'd also like to apologize
to any of the people, nominated above, who are
reading this right now,<br>
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on this list!<br>
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Dawn and Emily are already here.<br>
<br>
Anna, Michael, and Liz Johndrow are not yet (or
they're unidentified non-contributors at the
moment).<br>
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I'll need their email addresses or better still
they can sign up by following the link at the
bottom of <a href="http://sustainablesources.com/GSBN/" target="_blank">http://sustainablesources.com/GSBN/</a>,
and then let me now and I can make them
contributing members.<br>
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Regarding the idea of combining lists: I
definitely support putting the bioenergy and SBRUs
lists together. It seems they've been redundant
since shortly after the REPP list cratered for a
while, SBRUs was created, and then REPP was
reconstituted.<br>
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The original reason for GSBN's existence was that
those lists were bale-hammered on a regular basis
by well meaning newbies. Us old codgers
(experience-wise, not necessarily chronologically)
got tired of repeating the same answers again and
again, and a bunch of the really knowledgeable old
codgers got too busy working on codes and other
big-picture stuff to wade into the fray often, if
at all. GSBN became the place for 'higher level'
discussions regarding the strawbale movement,
techniques, etc. And it has proven to work very
well for that over the many years (since 1998 at
least).<br>
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If y'all are of a mind to open GSBN to everyone
(and I know some of you have been for a fair
while), or to combine it with some new SB überlist
I'm cool with that too. Opening to all just
involves a couple clicks of my all-powerful mouse.
Combining lists can be a little more difficult
(archive transfers and all that) but is not
impossible.<br>
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But I'd want to hear a decisive decision one way
or the other from the majority of you.<br>
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