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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>I agree with Derek. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>I have just been made a co-director of Earth
Building UK and we are grappling with how to get discussions of substance going
among our members. It's very nice to see the photo of the cob oven in the back
garden, but I want to know how to convince my building control officer to let my
client build a 1500 sq. ft. earthen home.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>I have been citing GSBN as a really valuable tool
in my working life to the other directors. They want me to show examples of
threads on GSBN at our meeting next week. So I find it really interesting that
GSBN is questioning the efficacy of the system.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>As an aside (and I hope this doesn't hijack your
thread - Derek, clarifying that this is the GSBN's Future Structure thread) -
there seem to be quite a few earthy experts here. Is there a global earth
building network? If not, would people see value in that? </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>I have been thinking about why there is so little
engagement with forums on the Earth Building UK website and I wonder is it
because the British can be quite shy and/or polite. Looking at some of the great
GSBN debates - people are not afraid to get stuck in, but the majority seem
to be from the US, Canada, down-under and certain parts of Europe. The British
seem to keep their thoughts to themselves - or am I completely wrong on that and
stereotyping? I apologise if I am.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Anyway - I am thinking that if we get something up
and running with Earth Building UK, we may need to invite global stakeholders, 1
- to get a broader pool of expertise and 2 - because you lot are not shy to
raise and debate topics. So would any of you be interested (if something doesn't
already exist)?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>If you want answer the Earth Building side of this
email, maybe start a new thread called "Earth Building". If you want to continue
Derek's point, stick to this title (GSBN's future structure).</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Back to Derek - I like this format, but I have only
been on it for about a year or two, so I have not experienced a drop-off. But to
be honest, I don't think I could cope with any higher volume of discussion
passing through my inbox.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Regards</FONT></DIV>
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style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=derek@unm.edu href="mailto:derek@unm.edu">Derek Stearns Roff</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=GSBN@sustainablesources.com
href="mailto:GSBN@sustainablesources.com">Global Straw Building Network</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, February 28, 2014 4:46
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [GSBN] GSBN's future
structure</DIV>
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<DIV>I've changed the subject line, to focus on the specific question of GSBNs
future structure. I'm finding it challenging to follow this topic mixed
in with other questions. </DIV>
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<DIV>I favor continuing GSBN as it is. I think it serves a valuable and
unique niche. Our members have differing needs, and GSBN serves some of those
needs well. In my view, we have created an important community on GSBN,
that I want to maintain. The fact that the list is quiet for weeks at a
time is a virtue. It allows important mutual support and high-level
discussion on topics when needed, and isn't a burden during the rest of the
time. </DIV>
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<DIV>Facebook serves other needs and other forms of use. The Strawbale
list on Facebook has existed for I don't know how long- more than a year.
It has more than 1,100 members. Some members of GSBN are on the
Facebook SB list, and everyone could be, if they wanted to be. But
closing GSBN would not enhance the Facebook group, it would just eliminate the
unique community that we have here. You can't have this kind of
community and interaction on a list with Facebook's level of traffic, member
quantity, and mix of topics and postings. Facebook is great for reaching
a lot of people in a fairly superficial way. That is important, but it
isn't the only thing that is important. GSBN is important too.
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<DIV>Derek</DIV>
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<DIV>On Feb 27, 2014, at 7:51 PM, Bill Christensen wrote:</DIV><BR
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<DIV>On 2/27/14 8:10 PM, Frank Tettemer wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">Tony, that was a wake up for me. I hadn't
even considered Liz might not be on the list. And so I began to consider
who else might not be on the list.<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">In an effort to leave no stones unturned, I would
like to nominate the following:<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">Dawn Marie Smith<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">Anna Wolfson<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">Michael Henry<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">Emily Rydell Niehaus<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">I'd also like to apologize to any of the people,
nominated above, who are reading this right now,<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">because, they are already on this
list!<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">I just didn't know.<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>Dawn and Emily are already
here.<BR><BR>Anna, Michael, and Liz Johndrow are not yet (or they're
unidentified non-contributors at the moment).<BR><BR>I'll need their email
addresses or better still they can sign up by following the link at the
bottom of <A
href="http://sustainablesources.com/GSBN/">http://sustainablesources.com/GSBN/</A>,
and then let me now and I can make them contributing
members.<BR><BR>Regarding the idea of combining lists: I
definitely support putting the bioenergy and SBRUs lists together. It
seems they've been redundant since shortly after the REPP list cratered for
a while, SBRUs was created, and then REPP was reconstituted.<BR><BR>The
original reason for GSBN's existence was that those lists were bale-hammered
on a regular basis by well meaning newbies. Us old codgers
(experience-wise, not necessarily chronologically) got tired of repeating
the same answers again and again, and a bunch of the really knowledgeable
old codgers got too busy working on codes and other big-picture stuff to
wade into the fray often, if at all. GSBN became the place for 'higher
level' discussions regarding the strawbale movement, techniques, etc.
And it has proven to work very well for that over the many years
(since 1998 at least).<BR><BR>If y'all are of a mind to open GSBN to
everyone (and I know some of you have been for a fair while), or to combine
it with some new SB überlist I'm cool with that too. Opening to all
just involves a couple clicks of my all-powerful mouse. Combining
lists can be a little more difficult (archive transfers and all that) but is
not impossible.<BR><BR>But I'd want to hear a decisive decision one way or
the other from the majority of
you.<BR><BR><BR>_______________________________________________<BR>GSBN
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