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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Thanks to all of you for your replies</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Danny and Jorge - you both mention the difficulty
in packing the gaps between bales effectively. I suspected that might be a
problem - so good to get your practical experience in the field.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>You both also say that sealing with plaster is the
best way to achieve fire rating. Bohdan mentioned a fire test from Germany -
does anyone know who the author is so that I could look it up? Or does anyone
have information on thicknesses of plaster required to achieve various fire
ratings?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Bohdan - I understand why you are questioning why
they don't just use a natural fibre batt. I think a big part of the reason is
ethos. The clients have access to plenty of locallly produced straw bales -
which are as close to an unprocessed but effective insulation product as they
can get. I suppose another option would be to look at accessing and cleaning a
load of sheep fleeces. But if that is not an option - then they need to buy a
manufactured product. Only sheep's wool is produced in Ireland (which would be a
good option), but it is manufactured in the exact opposite corner of the
country. Anything else (wood fibre, hemp) would have to be imported from
Europe.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>But, as you say, if we end up using an excessive
amount of timber to support the bales, then that is not a truly sustainable
solution either. It's always a balancing act! </FONT><FONT size=2 face=Arial>As
I said in the previous email - we're just exploring the option at the
moment.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Jorge - I thought that was interesting that you
used the LECA with the lime - I presume you did it to have achieve the maximum
insulation values. But with an entire bale doing the job for you, do you think
that was an excessive detail? Or was there another reason I missed?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>I also have to say I LOVED the look of the house
when it was entirely enclosed with bales - great to see bale walls AND
roof.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>And as an aside - I love the colour of the floor
too, particularly the yellow. Was that an earth floor? Did you have very pale
earth on the site and pigment it up with ochre? It's a really beautiful
finish.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Cheers</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Feile</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=vankrieken@gmail.com href="mailto:vankrieken@gmail.com">Van
Krieken</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=GSBN@sustainablesources.com
href="mailto:GSBN@sustainablesources.com">Global Straw Building Network</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, February 03, 2014 10:44
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [GSBN] Straw Bale Insulated
Ceiling</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr>I used strawbales in the roof, with a special atention to fill
the voids between the bales (its quite time consuming). We sealed the bales
with a hidrated (or aerial) natural lime mixed with expanded clay aggregate.
<DIV>You may see some pictures here: <A
href="http://strawhouses.carbonmade.com">http://strawhouses.carbonmade.com</A></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>All the best</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Jorge Van Krieken</DIV>
<DIV>Portugal</DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 4:09 PM, Danny Buck <SPAN
dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:dannycbuck@msn.com"
target=_blank>dannycbuck@msn.com</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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<DIV>Our experience here in New Mexico was that the roof structure gave us a
lot of voids between bales that were very challenging to pack. If it is a
true attic with a flat open surface to work off of, that would be
different.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>The surface of the bale that is accessible to air (oxygen) is best
sealed with a plaster. </DIV>
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<DIV>Danny Buck</DIV>
<DIV>Daniel Buck Construction, Inc.</DIV>
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<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"><B>From:</B>
<A title=mailto:feile@mudandwood.com href="mailto:feile@mudandwood.com"
target=_blank>Feile Butler</A> </DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"><B>To:</B>
<A title=mailto:GSBN@sustainablesources.com
href="mailto:GSBN@sustainablesources.com" target=_blank>Global Straw
Building Network</A> </DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"><B>Sent:</B>
Monday, February 03, 2014 2:57 AM</DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"><B>Subject:</B>
[GSBN] Straw Bale Insulated Ceiling</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Hi All</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>I have clients who are considering insulating
above the ceiling with straw bales. They have a large attic which could
easily accommodate the bales and plenty of outbuildings, so they don't
need the attic for storage.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>I have never detailed a straw bale ceiling before,
but would like to explore the idea. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>One of my main concerns is fire. </FONT><FONT
face=Arial>Is it enough to encapsulate the bales within
plasterboard/clayboard on both sides (top and bottom)? If we want to deck
out the floor above the bales, would it be enough to coat them in a lime
or earth plaster before building up the floor above them? </FONT><FONT
face=Arial>Is there any data out there about the behaviour of straw bales
in ceilings that I can show the building control officer, particularly
with regard to fire?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Any advice on or experience of straw bale insulated
ceilings would be very welcome.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Thanks</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>
<DIV><B><SPAN
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