<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div>Hi! </div><div><br></div>I have had really good experiences with sheep's wool- Here, it is dirt cheap if you buy it unwashed (assuming that cost is an issue). Unwashed wool is definitely for owner-builders since it is time consuming, but easy. <div><br></div><div>Both washed or unwashed should be treated with borax. </div><div><br></div><div>The good thing about wool, is that humidity, and even water has a hard time damaging it and it does not burn easily.<br><div><br><div>It is best to wash the wool without soap (or the minimum possible) so that the straw retains the maximum amounts of Lanolin, which helps to protect it. If you need to wash it, you can put it in a woven bag (the kind onions or potatoes often come in). An leave the bag in a stream for a day or two; let nature do the work! </div><div><br></div><div>Another good way to find cheap Washed wool is to buy old, wool mattresses in second hand shops, if that is possible in your country. Here in Spain they are still fairly easy to find.</div><div><br></div><div>I have never tried them, but I bet old wool blankets piled up would work good too. </div><div><br></div><div>take care, </div><div><br></div><div><div apple-content-edited="true"> <span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Garamond; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Garamond; 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-webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><div><div>Rikki Jennifer Nitzkin</div><div><br></div><div><a href="mailto:rikkinitzkin@gmail.com">rikkinitzkin@gmail.com</a></div><div><a href="http://www.rikkinitzkin.wordpress.com">www.rikkinitzkin.wordpress.com</a></div><div>0034 657 33 51 62</div><div>Aulás, Lleida</div><div><br></div></div></div></div></span></div></span></div></span></div></span></div></span></div></span></div></span></div></span></div></span></div></span><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'Bradley Hand ITC TT'"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px; ">“Cualquier cosa que puede ser pensada, puede también transformarse en realidad.” </span></font><span class="Apple-style-span" style="orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; widows: 2; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; "></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Bradley Hand ITC TT'; font-size: 13px; ">Albert Einstein </span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; widows: 2; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><br></div></span></div></span></div></span></div></span></div></span><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"> </div><br><div><div>On 04/02/2014, at 11:35, Feile Butler wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Garamond; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div bgcolor="#ffffff"><div><font size="2" face="Arial">Thanks to all of you for your replies</font></div><div><font size="2" face="Arial"></font> </div><div><font size="2" face="Arial">Danny and Jorge - you both mention the difficulty in packing the gaps between bales effectively. I suspected that might be a problem - so good to get your practical experience in the field.</font></div><div><font size="2" face="Arial"></font> </div><div><font size="2" face="Arial">You both also say that sealing with plaster is the best way to achieve fire rating. Bohdan mentioned a fire test from Germany - does anyone know who the author is so that I could look it up? Or does anyone have information on thicknesses of plaster required to achieve various fire ratings?</font></div><div><font size="2" face="Arial"></font> </div><div><font size="2" face="Arial">Bohdan - I understand why you are questioning why they don't just use a natural fibre batt. I think a big part of the reason is ethos. The clients have access to plenty of locallly produced straw bales - which are as close to an unprocessed but effective insulation product as they can get. I suppose another option would be to look at accessing and cleaning a load of sheep fleeces. But if that is not an option - then they need to buy a manufactured product. Only sheep's wool is produced in Ireland (which would be a good option), but it is manufactured in the exact opposite corner of the country. Anything else (wood fibre, hemp) would have to be imported from Europe.</font></div><div><font size="2" face="Arial"></font> </div><div><font size="2" face="Arial">But, as you say, if we end up using an excessive amount of timber to support the bales, then that is not a truly sustainable solution either. It's always a balancing act!<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></font><font size="2" face="Arial">As I said in the previous email - we're just exploring the option at the moment.</font></div><div><font size="2" face="Arial"></font> </div><div><font size="2" face="Arial">Jorge - I thought that was interesting that you used the LECA with the lime - I presume you did it to have achieve the maximum insulation values. But with an entire bale doing the job for you, do you think that was an excessive detail? Or was there another reason I missed?</font></div><div><font size="2" face="Arial"></font> </div><div><font size="2" face="Arial">I also have to say I LOVED the look of the house when it was entirely enclosed with bales - great to see bale walls AND roof.</font></div><div><font size="2" face="Arial"></font> </div><div><font size="2" face="Arial">And as an aside - I love the colour of the floor too, particularly the yellow. Was that an earth floor? Did you have very pale earth on the site and pigment it up with ochre? It's a really beautiful finish.</font></div><div><font size="2" face="Arial"></font> </div><div><font size="2" face="Arial">Cheers</font></div><div><font size="2" face="Arial"></font> </div><div><font size="2" face="Arial">Feile</font></div><div><font size="2" face="Arial"></font> </div><div><font size="2" face="Arial"></font> </div><div><font size="2" face="Arial"></font> </div><div><font size="2" face="Arial"></font> </div><blockquote style="border-left-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); border-left-width: 2px; border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 5px; padding-right: 0px; margin-left: 5px; margin-right: 0px; "><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; ">----- Original Message -----</div><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: rgb(228, 228, 228); background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; "><b>From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a title="vankrieken@gmail.com" href="mailto:vankrieken@gmail.com">Van Krieken</a></div><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; "><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a title="GSBN@sustainablesources.com" href="mailto:GSBN@sustainablesources.com">Global Straw Building Network</a></div><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; "><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Monday, February 03, 2014 10:44 PM</div><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; "><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [GSBN] Straw Bale Insulated Ceiling</div><div><br></div><div dir="ltr">I used strawbales in the roof, with a special atention to fill the voids between the bales (its quite time consuming). We sealed the bales with a hidrated (or aerial) natural lime mixed with expanded clay aggregate.<div>You may see some pictures here:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://strawhouses.carbonmade.com">http://strawhouses.carbonmade.com</a></div><div><br></div><div>All the best</div><div><br></div><div>Jorge Van Krieken</div><div>Portugal</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 4:09 PM, Danny Buck<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dannycbuck@msn.com" target="_blank">dannycbuck@msn.com</a>></span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex; "><u></u><div name="Compose message area" bgcolor="#ffffff" style="font-style: normal; padding-left: 10px; font-family: Verdana; font-size: 10pt; font-weight: normal; text-decoration: none; padding-top: 15px; "><div><div>Our experience here in New Mexico was that the roof structure gave us a lot of voids between bales that were very challenging to pack. If it is a true attic with a flat open surface to work off of, that would be different.</div><div> </div><div>The surface of the bale that is accessible to air (oxygen) is best sealed with a plaster.</div><div> </div><div>Danny Buck</div><div>Daniel Buck Construction, Inc.</div><blockquote style="border-left-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); border-left-width: 2px; border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 5px; padding-right: 0px; margin-left: 5px; margin-right: 0px; "><div><div class="h5"><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; ">----- Original Message -----</div><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; "><b>From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a title="mailto:feile@mudandwood.com" href="mailto:feile@mudandwood.com" target="_blank">Feile Butler</a></div><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; "><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a title="mailto:GSBN@sustainablesources.com" href="mailto:GSBN@sustainablesources.com" target="_blank">Global Straw Building Network</a></div><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; "><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Monday, February 03, 2014 2:57 AM</div><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; "><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[GSBN] Straw Bale Insulated Ceiling</div><div><br></div><div><font face="Arial">Hi All</font></div><div><font face="Arial"></font> </div><div><font face="Arial">I have clients who are considering insulating above the ceiling with straw bales. They have a large attic which could easily accommodate the bales and plenty of outbuildings, so they don't need the attic for storage.</font></div><div><font face="Arial"></font> </div><div><font face="Arial">I have never detailed a straw bale ceiling before, but would like to explore the idea.</font></div><div><font face="Arial"></font> </div><div><font face="Arial">One of my main concerns is fire.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></font><font face="Arial">Is it enough to encapsulate the bales within plasterboard/clayboard on both sides (top and bottom)? If we want to deck out the floor above the bales, would it be enough to coat them in a lime or earth plaster before building up the floor above them?<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></font><font face="Arial">Is there any data out there about the behaviour of straw bales in ceilings that I can show the building control officer, particularly with regard to fire?</font></div><div><font face="Arial"></font> </div><div><font face="Arial">Any advice on or experience of straw bale insulated ceilings would be very welcome.</font></div><div><font face="Arial"></font> </div><div><font face="Arial"></font> </div><div><font face="Arial">Thanks</font></div><div><font face="Arial"></font> </div><div><font face="Arial"></font> </div><div><font face="Arial"><div><b><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; ">F<span><span>é</span></span>ile Butler</span></b></div><div><div><div><div style="line-height: normal; margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0in; "><span><strong><font size="1" face="Arial">MRIAI B.Arch Dip. 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