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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-AU link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Hi <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Thanks for the replies.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>We ended using an I beam which we could curve to the correct radius – it was very expensive – but other choices were not available to us.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Bohdan<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> GSBN-bounces@sustainablesources.com [mailto:GSBN-bounces@sustainablesources.com] <b>On Behalf Of </b>John Swearingen<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, 3 May 2013 4:11 AM<br><b>To:</b> Global Straw Building Network<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [GSBN] Curved Gutter<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>For curved earth roofs we've used flexible perforated foundation drain line, which holds back the soil and allows the water to seep in. It's worked quite well, and the same could be adapted as a gutter, without the perforations.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>John<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>We have used<img width=315 height=420 id="_x0000_i1025" src="cid:image002.jpg@01CE47D9.5A97DBA0" alt="Inline image 1"><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 9:27 PM, Art Ludwig/ Oasis <<a href="mailto:oasis@oasisdesign.net" target="_blank">oasis@oasisdesign.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Here's a pic of the short straight segment technique in cut and soldered copper. Old school, pretty and nice for a long service life. Can't see it in this photo, but they peened the whole thing to make it look extra cool, which it definitely did. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>At one point when the copper price crashed it was the same cost as enameled steel I considered using it on our roof instead of steel. I calculated the amount of Cu leaching from a 1600± ft2 of it with 18" a year of rain and concluded that it was fine if it was adsorbing into soil but not if it was going directly into a freshwater aquatic ecosystem. For gutters only it's probably too little Cu to worry about unless you are filling an aquarium. By the time the HOA approved our project--a year later--Cu was 4x as expensive as steel. Glad I didn't use Cu, as it saves us $ on an armed guard to keep an eye on the roof...<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><img border=0 width=622 height=467 id="_x0000_i1026" src="cid:image004.jpg@01CE47D9.5A97DBA0"><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On May 1, 2013, at 5:43 PM, "Bohdan Dorniak" <<a href="mailto:bdco@adam.com.au" target="_blank">bdco@adam.com.au</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Thanks for that.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>There is an interesting building in the Grampians in Victoria – which has a curved roof – and the architect made up the gutter with short lengths of metal half round gutter.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>So I couldn’t work out how to curve a metal gutter!</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Regards</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Bohdan</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:GSBN-bounces@sustainablesources.com" target="_blank"><span style='color:purple'>GSBN-bounces@sustainablesources.com</span></a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:GSBN-" target="_blank">GSBN-</a><a href="mailto:bounces@sustainablesources.com" target="_blank"><span style='color:purple'>bounces@sustainablesources.com</span></a>]<b>On Behalf Of </b>Feile Butler<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 2 May 2013 2:00 AM<br><b>To:</b> Global Straw Building Network<br><b>Subject:</b> [GSBN] Curved Gutter</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Hi Bodhan</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>We used lengths of plastic water pipe, split and popped over the edge of the roof.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>We get plenty of rain - and the detail works great. See photo attached.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Regards</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Feile</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>F</span></b><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol'>é</span></b><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>ile Butler</span></b><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><strong><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>MRIAI B.Arch Dip. Arch Conservation Grade III</span></strong><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#990000'>Mud and Wood</span></b><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Grange Beg, Skreen, Co. Sligo, Ireland</span></b><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span></b><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span></b><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><strong><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>T: <a href="tel:%2B353%20%280%29%2071%20930%200488" target="_blank">+353 (0) 71 930 0488</a></span></strong><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><strong><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>M: <a href="tel:%2B353%20%280%29%2086%20806%208382" target="_blank">+353 (0) 86 806 8382</a></span></strong><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><strong><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>E : </span></strong><strong><u><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#0066CC'><a href="mailto:feile@mudandwood.com" target="_blank"><span style='color:purple'>feile@mudandwood.com</span></a></span></u></strong><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><strong><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>W:</span></strong><strong><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <u><span style='color:#0066CC'><a href="http://www.mudandwood.com" target="_blank"><span style='color:purple'>www.mudandwood.com</span></a></span></u></span></strong><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>_______________________________________________<br>GSBN mailing list<br><a href="mailto:GSBN@sustainablesources.com" target="_blank"><span style='color:purple'>GSBN@sustainablesources.com</span></a><br><a href="http://sustainablesources.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/GSBN" target="_blank"><span style='color:purple'>http://sustainablesources.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/GSBN</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>_______________________________________________<br>GSBN mailing list<br><a href="mailto:GSBN@sustainablesources.com">GSBN@sustainablesources.com</a><br><a href="http://sustainablesources.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/GSBN" target="_blank">http://sustainablesources.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/GSBN</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br clear=all><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>-- <br><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#666666'>John Swearingen<br>Skillful Means Design & Construction<br>2550 9th Street Suite 209A<br>Berkeley, CA 94710<br>510.849.1800 phone<br>510.849.1900 fax<br><br>Web Site: <a href="http://www.skillful-means.com" target="_blank">http://www.skillful-means.com</a><br>Blog: <a href="https://skillfulmeansdesign.wordpress.com" target="_blank">https://skillfulmeansdesign.wordpress.com</a></span> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></body></html>