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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Hi Paul<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Thanks for the photos of the 2 storey - what I would call - plantation
style house.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Where is that built and when and can i reference you as the
architect?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Incidentally obviously when I asked about the slenderness ration
in relation to in-fill type structures, i am referring to the height of walls
between horizontal structural framing and not the overall height of the
building, which is clearly influenced by hte design of ones structural frame,
protection form inclement weather etc. It appears from examples I have found
while surveying the web and my various books on straw bale, that the closer
together one uses vertical members to contain the bales the higher one can go
before inserting a horizontal member in the panel and conversely the wider one
builds a panel the more regularly one needs to use horizontal beams / structure
to contain the panels.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>With framed systems a(s much as I love the idea of building load
bearing, for numerous reasons – building authority being a big one –
we generally find that we end up using bales as an in-fill material), I have
generally found when working on site that anything longer than 3 bales length (width
of panel) starts to get a bid wobbly and so if the wall is longer than that
without a window buck or structural upright to work against then we end up
having to insert some kind of vertical post or ladder into the wall to help stabilize
it. I have not tried the external pinning method but imagine that that would
add alot of stiffness to the walls and that this length may be able to be
increased in this case. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'> I would be really interested to hear what other peoples
experience has been with the sizing of in-fill panels and what guidance one can
give around their design.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Many thanks<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Kind regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Andy Horn<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><img width=600 height=124 id="Picture_x0020_1"
src="cid:image001.gif@01CE3207.AFCFBCB0" alt=Logo-and-Address><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> GSBN-bounces@sustainablesources.com
[mailto:GSBN-bounces@sustainablesources.com] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Paul Olivier<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 05 April 2013 12:56 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Global Straw Building Network<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [GSBN] Wall Heights - Larger & Multi-storey Straw Bale
buildings<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 5:42 PM, Andy Horn <<a
href="mailto:andy@ecodesignarchitects.co.za" target="_blank">andy@ecodesignarchitects.co.za</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Hi
all </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I am
curious if any of you out there can send me any info / links to photos of
large straw bale structures ....I am looking to put a quick presentation
together showing precedent of various 2 and 3 storey straw bale structures as
well as any larger type cellars, warehouses, public buildings etc.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Also
in terms of in-fill structures have there been any studies done on how high one
can build with straw bales......the width to height ratio given in the proposed
international straw bale building code is 6:1 width to height........does
this same ratio still apply to non-load bearing structures and have there been
any studies that look at if this still applies with bales laid flat vs bales
laid on edge....as well as the difference ones plaster makes to this.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I
would be interested to know if any studies have been conducted on the influence
of how the walls are pinned and how they are plastered etc as to how this would
influence the slenderness ratio......for instance I would think that if one had
an earth plaster for instance which was very well bonded into the straw (as
with say a pre-dipping method where one has up to 80mm of earth fused with the
outer layer of straw) then this would also impact on the stability of the wall
as would the type of pinning used internal vs external pinning etc..... </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Many thanks
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Kind
regards</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Andy</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Error! Filename not specified.</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a
href="mailto:GSBN-bounces@sustainablesources.com" target="_blank">GSBN-bounces@sustainablesources.com</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:GSBN-bounces@sustainablesources.com" target="_blank">GSBN-bounces@sustainablesources.com</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Feile Butler<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 22 March 2013 09:07 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Global Straw Building Network<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [GSBN] Fw: The Mechanical Ventilation Debate</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>I'm forwarding this
for Robert Riversong. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>----- Original
Message ----- </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
background:#E4E4E4'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a
href="mailto:housewright@ponds-edge.net" target="_blank"
title="housewright@ponds-edge.net">Robert Riversong</a> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>To:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a
href="mailto:feile@mudandwood.com" target="_blank" title="feile@mudandwood.com">Feile
Butler</a> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Cc:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a
href="mailto:graeme@ecodesign.co.nz" target="_blank"
title="graeme@ecodesign.co.nz">Graeme North</a> ; <a
href="mailto:jfstraube@uwaterloo.ca" target="_blank"
title="jfstraube@uwaterloo.ca">John Straube</a> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Sent:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> Friday, March 22,
2013 3:33 PM</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Subject:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> Re: [GSBN] The
Mechanical Ventilation Debate</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Feile,
et al:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Thank
you for using my statements to continue this important dialogue. Feel free to
forward this to the list as well (and I would accept an invitation to join this
group if it were offered).<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>The
"divide" that John Straube describes is not necessarily between
those who choose to offer the best solutions to the majority who are immersed
in the current (and almost certainly unsustainable) paradigm of complexity, control
and comfort – and those who seek to change the cultural paradigm (which
is a near-impossible task). It is between those who, with the very best of
intentions, support and encourage the current paradigm by offering "best
practices" consistent with it – and those who understand that the
current paradigm is very close to a global collapse which will force dramatic
social and technological change (the only way fundamental change has ever
occurred in evolutionary or cultural history).<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>There
is a long and noble history of the prophetic Luddite tradition which has
challenged the "value-neutral" notion of technology, including such
notables as Oswald Spengler, Aldous Huxley, Paul Goodman, Leopold Kohr,
George Orwell, Arthur Koestler, Herbert Marcuse, Jacques Ellul, Lewis
Mumford, Marshall McLuhan, E.F. Schumacher, Ivan Illich, Wendell Berry,
Theodore Roszak, Edward René David Goldsmith, Joseph Tainter, Jerry Mander,
Neil Postman, Kirkpatrick Sale, Ted Kaczynski, Morris Berman, Ronald Wright,
Nicholas Carr, and Spencer Wells. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>And
the current crop of "the best and brightest" who are warning about
the impending global crisis and inevitable Shift include Michael T. Klare
(Five Colleges professor of Peace and World Security Studies, defense
correspondent of The Nation magazine, and on the boards of directors of Human
Rights Watch and the Arms Control Association), Martin Rees (British
cosmologist and astrophysicist, Astronomer Royal, Master of Trinity College,
Cambridge, past President of the Royal Society of London), Richard A. Posner
(American jurist, legal theorist, and economist, Senior Lecturer at the
University of Chicago Law School, and the most cited legal scholar of the
20th century), James Howard Kunstler (American author, lecturer and social
critic, former staff writer for Rolling Stone), Jared Diamond (American
scientist and author, Professor of Geography at the University of California,
Los Angeles), James Lovelock (British scientist, environmentalist and
futurologist, best known for proposing the Gaia hypothesis), Gus Speth
(co-founder of the Natural Resources Defense Council, Chairman of the Council
on Environmental Quality for Jimmy Carter, Professor of environmental and
constitutional law at Georgetown University; founder of the World Resources Institute,
senior adviser to President-elect Bill Clinton's transition team,
Administrator of the United Nations Development Programme and Chair of the
United Nations Development Group, dean of the Yale School of Forestry and
Environmental Studies at Yale University and Professor in the Practice of
Environmental Policy, now professor at Vermont Law School). <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>The
natural building community has long been true pioneers in developing and
demonstrating alternative "appropriate" technologies for such
essentials as shelter. We don't change the paradigm by asking people to put
on an extra sweater – that impropriety may have cost Jimmy Carter a
second term – or do without conveniences that we have been conditioned
to believe are necessary for our well-being. But we can make such a
paradigm-shift possible by manifesting living examples of lower-tech
lifestyles that demonstrably increase personal freedom and well-being. People
change when alternatives become visible, and it is the role of the pioneer to
create or provide such alternatives.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>As
one who has been designing and building somewhat alternative shelters for the
past 30 years (including the first state-approved indoor site-built
composting toilet in Massachusetts in 1998, and some of the first
rubble-trench and shallow frost-protected foundations under superinsulated
homes built of local rough-sawn lumber since 1987 – all with some form
of low-tech whole-house ventilation system), I would hate to see the even
more pioneering natural building community devolve into the mainstream
paradigm (as is already happening).<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>If
James Howard Kunstler is right (see his wonderfully prophetic novel: <i>World
Made by Hand</i>), and I believe he is, then we will soon be forced to resort
to the simpler and more hand-made technologies of our great-grandparents. If
at least some of us don't begin to relearn and exemplify those technologies
today, then we will have a much more difficult time adapting when the Shift
hits the (ventilation) fan.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>-
Robert<o:p></o:p></p>
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--- On <b>Fri, 3/22/13, Feile Butler <i><<a
href="mailto:feile@mudandwood.com" target="_blank">feile@mudandwood.com</a>></i></b>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>
From: Feile Butler <<a href="mailto:feile@mudandwood.com" target="_blank">feile@mudandwood.com</a>><br>
Subject: [GSBN] The Mechanical Ventilation Debate<br>
To: "Global Straw Building Network" <<a
href="mailto:GSBN@sustainablesources.com" target="_blank">GSBN@sustainablesources.com</a>><br>
Date: Friday, March 22, 2013, 9:14 AM<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Hi John</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>I accept that you
were</span> <i>"implicitly discussing the 99% of homes 1 billion
people live in the western live in. There are literally billions more people
lined up trying to build and get into this type of housing, so the
conversation, and the understanding of different types of housing is really
important for the environment."</i><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>I also know the
mechanical ventilation debate has opened up a much bigger discussion than the
original posts intended. We are looking at this from different angles.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>The big wheel is
turning. You say that 99% of people want/need passivehaus housing. The
supposition is that this is the direction that the construction
industry/public desire is going and it has gathered so much
momentum that it cannot be stopped. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>To</span> <span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>borrow from Robert
Riversong's email again -</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><i>That
we don't have much of a choice today in the necessity of mechanical
ventilation in well-insulated homes is evidence of the cul-de-sac that our
"progress" has driven us into.</i><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>I suppose I
am questioning (maybe naively and idealistically) whether there can be a
shift in societal expectation? </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>I know when people
started building with straw bales, the wider masses thought they were crazy.
It was so simple and so cheap - it couldn't be possible!!! Now it is a
well-established, well-researched method of building. Just because the
"mad" 1% were doing it, didn't put them off. And with time it
continues to gain a bigger and bigger foothold in the mainstream.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>A lot of our work
is about bringing people back to simplicity - to start with the people - to
change their perceptions - and then a different type of building becomes
possible. This type of work may only be affecting the 1% at the moment (maybe
even less), but there is potential for it to grow. I suppose I am trying
to say that it is important that we do keep other options open - that there
is not just one holy grail. (And I accept that this is not what the original
thread was about).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>If we decide to
hang on to the wheel and turn with it, then it is critically important that
the best quality buildings are produced for this style of construction -
which is what you are promoting. I suppose some of us are deciding to jump
off the wheel (and hope it doesn't roll over us and squash us to pieces).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Hmmmmm</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Feile</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Féile Butler</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>MRIAI B.Arch Dip.
Arch Conservation Grade III</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#990000'>Mud and Wood</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Grange Beg, Skreen,
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style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>T: +353 (0) 71
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style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>M: +353 (0) 86 806
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style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>E : </span></b><b><span
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