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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Hi all <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I am curious if any of you out there can send me any info / links
to photos of large straw bale structures ....I am looking to put a quick presentation
together showing precedent of various 2 and 3 storey straw bale structures as
well as any larger type cellars, warehouses, public buildings etc.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Also in terms of in-fill structures have there been any studies
done on how high one can build with straw bales......the width to height ratio given
in the proposed international straw bale building code is 6:1 width to
height........does this same ratio still apply to non-load bearing structures
and have there been any studies that look at if this still applies with bales
laid flat vs bales laid on edge....as well as the difference ones plaster makes
to this.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I would be interested to know if any studies have been conducted
on the influence of how the walls are pinned and how they are plastered etc as
to how this would influence the slenderness ratio......for instance I would
think that if one had an earth plaster for instance which was very well bonded into
the straw (as with say a pre-dipping method where one has up to 80mm of earth
fused with the outer layer of straw) then this would also impact on the
stability of the wall as would the type of pinning used internal vs external
pinning etc..... <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Many thanks <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'>Kind regards<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'>Andy<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> GSBN-bounces@sustainablesources.com
[mailto:GSBN-bounces@sustainablesources.com] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Feile Butler<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 22 March 2013 09:07 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Global Straw Building Network<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [GSBN] Fw: The Mechanical Ventilation Debate<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>I'm
forwarding this for Robert Riversong. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>-----
Original Message ----- <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:#E4E4E4'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:housewright@ponds-edge.net"
title="housewright@ponds-edge.net">Robert Riversong</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>To:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a
href="mailto:feile@mudandwood.com" title="feile@mudandwood.com">Feile Butler</a>
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Cc:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a
href="mailto:graeme@ecodesign.co.nz" title="graeme@ecodesign.co.nz">Graeme
North</a> ; <a href="mailto:jfstraube@uwaterloo.ca"
title="jfstraube@uwaterloo.ca">John Straube</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Sent:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> Friday, March 22,
2013 3:33 PM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Subject:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> Re: [GSBN] The
Mechanical Ventilation Debate<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Feile,
et al:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Thank
you for using my statements to continue this important dialogue. Feel free to
forward this to the list as well (and I would accept an invitation to join
this group if it were offered).<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>The
"divide" that John Straube describes is not necessarily between
those who choose to offer the best solutions to the majority who are immersed
in the current (and almost certainly unsustainable) paradigm of complexity,
control and comfort – and those who seek to change the cultural paradigm
(which is a near-impossible task). It is between those who, with the very
best of intentions, support and encourage the current paradigm by offering
"best practices" consistent with it – and those who understand that
the current paradigm is very close to a global collapse which will force
dramatic social and technological change (the only way fundamental change has
ever occurred in evolutionary or cultural history).<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>There
is a long and noble history of the prophetic Luddite tradition which has
challenged the "value-neutral" notion of technology, including such
notables as Oswald Spengler, Aldous Huxley, Paul Goodman, Leopold Kohr,
George Orwell, Arthur Koestler, Herbert Marcuse, Jacques Ellul, Lewis
Mumford, Marshall McLuhan, E.F. Schumacher, Ivan Illich, Wendell Berry,
Theodore Roszak, Edward René David Goldsmith, Joseph Tainter, Jerry Mander,
Neil Postman, Kirkpatrick Sale, Ted Kaczynski, Morris Berman, Ronald Wright,
Nicholas Carr, and Spencer Wells. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>And
the current crop of "the best and brightest" who are warning about
the impending global crisis and inevitable Shift include Michael T. Klare
(Five Colleges professor of Peace and World Security Studies, defense
correspondent of The Nation magazine, and on the boards of directors of Human
Rights Watch and the Arms Control Association), Martin Rees (British
cosmologist and astrophysicist, Astronomer Royal, Master of Trinity College,
Cambridge, past President of the Royal Society of London), Richard A. Posner
(American jurist, legal theorist, and economist, Senior Lecturer at the
University of Chicago Law School, and the most cited legal scholar of the
20th century), James Howard Kunstler (American author, lecturer and social
critic, former staff writer for Rolling Stone), Jared Diamond (American
scientist and author, Professor of Geography at the University of California,
Los Angeles), James Lovelock (British scientist, environmentalist and
futurologist, best known for proposing the Gaia hypothesis), Gus Speth
(co-founder of the Natural Resources Defense Council, Chairman of the Council
on Environmental Quality for Jimmy Carter, Professor of environmental and
constitutional law at Georgetown University; founder of the World Resources
Institute, senior adviser to President-elect Bill Clinton's transition team,
Administrator of the United Nations Development Programme and Chair of the
United Nations Development Group, dean of the Yale School of Forestry and
Environmental Studies at Yale University and Professor in the Practice of
Environmental Policy, now professor at Vermont Law School). <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>The
natural building community has long been true pioneers in developing and
demonstrating alternative "appropriate" technologies for such
essentials as shelter. We don't change the paradigm by asking people to put
on an extra sweater – that impropriety may have cost Jimmy Carter a second
term – or do without conveniences that we have been conditioned to believe
are necessary for our well-being. But we can make such a paradigm-shift
possible by manifesting living examples of lower-tech lifestyles that
demonstrably increase personal freedom and well-being. People change when
alternatives become visible, and it is the role of the pioneer to create or
provide such alternatives.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>As
one who has been designing and building somewhat alternative shelters for the
past 30 years (including the first state-approved indoor site-built
composting toilet in Massachusetts in 1998, and some of the first
rubble-trench and shallow frost-protected foundations under superinsulated
homes built of local rough-sawn lumber since 1987 – all with some form of
low-tech whole-house ventilation system), I would hate to see the even more
pioneering natural building community devolve into the mainstream paradigm
(as is already happening).<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>If
James Howard Kunstler is right (see his wonderfully prophetic novel: <i>World
Made by Hand</i>), and I believe he is, then we will soon be forced to resort
to the simpler and more hand-made technologies of our great-grandparents. If
at least some of us don't begin to relearn and exemplify those technologies
today, then we will have a much more difficult time adapting when the Shift
hits the (ventilation) fan.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>-
Robert<o:p></o:p></p>
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--- On <b>Fri, 3/22/13, Feile Butler <i><feile@mudandwood.com></i></b>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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From: Feile Butler <feile@mudandwood.com><br>
Subject: [GSBN] The Mechanical Ventilation Debate<br>
To: "Global Straw Building Network"
<GSBN@sustainablesources.com><br>
Date: Friday, March 22, 2013, 9:14 AM<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Hi
John</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>I
accept that you were</span> <em>"implicitly discussing the 99% of
homes 1 billion people live in the western live in. There are literally
billions more people lined up trying to build and get into this type of
housing, so the conversation, and the understanding of different types of
housing is really important for the environment."</em><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>I
also know the mechanical ventilation debate has opened up a much bigger
discussion than the original posts intended. We are looking at this from
different angles.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>The
big wheel is turning. You say that 99% of people want/need passivehaus
housing. The supposition is that this is the direction that the construction
industry/public desire is going and it has gathered so much
momentum that it cannot be stopped. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>To</span>
<span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>borrow from
Robert Riversong's email again -<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><em>That we don't have much of a choice today in the
necessity of mechanical ventilation in well-insulated homes is evidence of
the cul-de-sac that our "progress" has driven us into.</em><span
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<span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>I suppose I
am questioning (maybe naively and idealistically) whether there can be a shift
in societal expectation? </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>I
know when people started building with straw bales, the wider masses thought
they were crazy. It was so simple and so cheap - it couldn't be possible!!!
Now it is a well-established, well-researched method of building. Just
because the "mad" 1% were doing it, didn't put them off. And with
time it continues to gain a bigger and bigger foothold in the mainstream.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>A
lot of our work is about bringing people back to simplicity - to start with
the people - to change their perceptions - and then a different type of
building becomes possible. This type of work may only be affecting the 1% at
the moment (maybe even less), but there is potential for it to grow. I
suppose I am trying to say that it is important that we do keep other options
open - that there is not just one holy grail. (And I accept that this is not
what the original thread was about).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>If
we decide to hang on to the wheel and turn with it, then it is critically
important that the best quality buildings are produced for this style
of construction - which is what you are promoting. I suppose some of us
are deciding to jump off the wheel (and hope it doesn't roll over us and
squash us to pieces).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Hmmmmm</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Feile</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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