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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>I too have enjoyed the debate and found it really
educational. It has actually helped to clarify my own position a bit and realise
where some of my prejudices or concerns may be unfounded.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>This post is to maybe clarify some of the
background to my position - I have found the global nature of the debate really
interesting, and perhaps because of that, sometimes meanings or intentions get
lost in translation.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>I value progress and I value technology and how it
can help to improve our life (and I also think some if it does nothing to
improve our life). I know John was being facetious about ripping electrical
lighting cables out of the walls, etc. However, it does actually highlight an
important point. This expectation of electric light has been fully assimilated
into all of our "developed world" cultures. However, even with lighting, we have
realised the system isn't perfect and now with LEDs and solar we are
trying to figure out ways to improve this technology. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>There are some of you on the list who are
incredibly comfortable with mechanical ventilation. You have been
specifying/researching/installing/monitoring it for years (even decades) and in
your perception it is just as established as electric light, refrigeration,
etc. But for the wider world, we are just arriving at the point where
airtightness and insulation have reached such high levels that we must
consider mechanical ventilation to achieve acceptable indoor air quality. For
me, anyway, this is not a culturally established technology. This is a
decision to begin to incoporate a new technology, which after a generation will
be accepted as the norm and unthinkable to be without. So I want to be very
careful in my decision.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>I have actually specified demand-controlled and
humidity-controlled mechanical extract ventilation for certain clients. As an
architect, I must accommodate my clients' needs. We also have an issue
with radon gas in Ireland and in circumstances where buildings are relaitvely
airtight and the radon levels are high, a continuous low-watt fan is
necessary under the ground floor. I agree with the sentiment of appropriateness
in context and also of trying out the simplest, most low-tech option first. I
was not expecting John to say that he found PassiveHaus an extreme option, too
complex and too intensive. In my head I have been equating mechanical
ventilation with PassiveHaus Standard - but that is partly to do with the
current Irish context. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>I would love to know from those of you who are very
experienced in mechanical ventilation - at what point do you think it crosses a
line. Before this debate, I hadn't even considered that even the experts might
think there is "good" mechanical ventilation and "bad" mechanical
venitlation.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>What is the current Irish context? Part of the
context relates to Europe - which hands down directives that we must follow. In
Norway in 2010, they updated their building codes and now every new dwellling
MUST use mechanical ventilation. Even if a passive strategy could be worked out,
this would no longer be considered compliant/legal. With the drive towards
zero-carbon - the signs are that the 2015 regulations will be tied to the
PassiveHaus standard. In Ireland, there is a bit of a love affair with
PassiveHaus, one that makes me a little uncomfortable - as I think there has to
be room left for other options. For example, our leading (and really ony) green
building magazine was rebranded in January as Passive House Plus. The plus
is supposed to relate to "all those other green issues" which are not PH. I
haven't seen too many other issues being discussed so far. Our building
regulations seem to be following the path of the Norwegians. There is a
perception here that PassiveHaus is the holy grail and when mechanical
ventilation is discussed in this country, I think this is what we are really
thinking of (which is why I worry about occupiers operating/maintaining their
systems properly in the future). To quote from the Irish Passive House Academy
website - </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><EM><FONT size=2 face=Arial>"It is fast becoming the leading energy
efficiency and comfort standard for all building types across the world.
<STRONG>It makes no sense to build anything less</STRONG>. This is not magic
but it can be your reality"</FONT></EM></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV dir=ltr><FONT size=2 face=Arial>I have been reassured by many of you that
power cuts will not affect indoor air quality in mechanically ventilated houses
(and there is always the option to open a window and put on a jumper). But there
must be a point when it becomes unsafe (if you have clients who don't want to
open the window on a chilly day)? Is this after hours or days or
weeks?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr><FONT size=2 face=Arial>As an architect I must design for extreme
cases. It doesn't matter if I think the house will never go on fire, I must
design it to give the occupants the best chance in a catastrophic blaze. I have
to design for the 100 year storm (although that seems to be coming around every
20 to 30 years now and the 100 year storm is becoming a whole new beast
......and therefore my details are becoming more robust). We are not
fortune-tellers - but if there are signs of potential problems in the future -
shouldn't we design with those in mind? And I don't think it is over-the-top to
expect ongoing disruptions to the electricity supply in the future. I do not
mean in some Armageddon-type way - it can happen much more simply than that....
</FONT><FONT size=2 face=Arial>It's true that we have not yet reached peak oil
and that Asia is ramping up its need for energy. That probably will cause
problems with access to energy in the future. But coming back to the Irish
situation....</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Depsite what our Taoiseach (prime minister)
might have said to Obama as he handed over the traditional bowl of shamrock on
St. Patrick's Day, Ireland is not coming out of the recession (he must have been
hoping to entice a few foreign investors to our shores). We are so deep in it
and probably still going down. Over 25% of mortgage holders (186,785 homes) are
in arrears, have had to restructure or are in repossession actions. People can't
pay their bills - a lot of people. The national electricity supplier has taken
to installing token meters in people's houses who are in arrears. They are
literally paying for their electricity hour to hour. This is not Armageddon,
this is 2013 in First World Ireland.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Even considering the issue of our worsening
storms, every year we have power cuts that can last 2 to 3 days at a time
(usually at Christmas).</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr><FONT size=2 face=Arial>As I said before, we try to show
people that life can be lived comfortably and simply without as much
technology as they might think. When we need to, we employ additional
technology, but as little as possible. But regulations are starting to
strip us of that freedom to decide on a case-by-case basis and I that
is a dangerous path for the future.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Thanks again for the debate. As someone
pretty new on list, I have enjoyed hanging out with the "big boys".
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<DIV dir=ltr><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Feile (a woman with no fridge)</FONT></DIV>
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