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<div>Christian et al (Oak Ridge Lab 1998) tested a whole wall but there was only plasterboard on the interior. Andersen 2004 tested a bale wall rendered both sides. The tests are expensive and flawed. And basing heat loss calculations on conduction (r values or u-values) is wholly inadequate because most heat loss is lost through convection and then there are all the other factors such as time lag (thick straw bale walls), thermal bridging, surface emissivity, thermal mass (render), airtightness (render), use of rain screens and all the other factors in a building such as windows, floor and ceilings. (see my thesis - about page 35 onwards <br>
<A href="http://www.homegrownhome.co.uk/pdfs/Energyassessmentofastrawbalebuilding.pdf">http://www.homegrownhome.co.uk/pdfs/Energyassessmentofastrawbalebuilding.pdf</A> )</div>
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<div>A <STRONG>well built</STRONG> straw bale building will perform much better than the theoretical heat flow calculations (using r or u values) would suggest because of all these other factors. Manufacturers of building materials have the resources to keep doing the flawed tests to get a result that makes their product have as high a r or u value as possible because this is what our flawed building regulations require. They are not concerned about how that material will perform in a real life situation. <br>
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<div>Sorry - preaching to the converted!</div>
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<B>Subject:</B> Re: [GSBN] Fwd: Decrement factor of SB walls</SPAN></div>
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From: <B>John Swearingen</B> <<A title=mailto:jswearingen@skillful-means.com href="mailto:jswearingen@skillful-means.com">jswearingen@skillful-means.com</A>><br>
Date: Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 1:35 AM<br>
Subject: Re: [GSBN] Decrement factor of SB walls<br>
To: Global Straw Building Network <<A title=mailto:GSBN@sustainablesources.com href="mailto:GSBN@sustainablesources.com">GSBN@sustainablesources.com</A>><br>
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This is very interesting, and fortunately in English. Unfortunately, I don't really know what it means. Can you explain more? </SPAN></div>
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<div class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 3:40 PM, Van Krieken <<A title=mailto:vankrieken@gmail.com href="mailto:vankrieken@gmail.com">vankrieken@gmail.com</A>> wrote:</SPAN></div>
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<div class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">The best source of information about this issue (and many others concerning insulation, thermal mass, etc) it is the book writen by Jean-Pierre Oliva and Samuel Courgey ( L'Isolation Thermique Ecologique).</SPAN></div>
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<div class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Citing their book, page 175, concerning a wall with wood structure and straw bales with medium density (80 to 110 Kg/m3, strawbale section 34x46cm. Vented façade in exterior, and interior with clay render.</SPAN></div>
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<div class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Thermal loss U (W/m2K) / R (m2K/W) .................................. 0,13 / 7,76</SPAN></div>
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<div class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Losses due to thermal bridges............................................... 4%</SPAN></div>
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<div class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Daily indoor heat capacity (kWh/m2K)................................ 15 (strong)</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"></SPAN></div>
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<div class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Sequential indoor heat capacity (kWh/m2K).......................25 (medium)</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"></SPAN></div>
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<div class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Unfortunately, this book is only in English. Jean-Pierre Oliva, is one of the best known french bio climatic architects, and since many years a great enthusiast of straw bale building. His books (also La Architectire Bioclimatique) can be found at Amazon.</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: ; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"></SPAN></div>
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