Darcy, Please include me when sending out the details of the PAKSBAB moulds.<br><br>Has anyone attempted a light coating of clay slip or lime on these 1'x1'x2' bales? or other size for that matter? This came up on the little straw house for Haiti as a means to mitigate potential moisture issues. <br>
<br>Tim<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 3:06 PM, Derek Roff <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:derek@unm.edu">derek@unm.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div class="im"><div><span style="font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;font-size:16px"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:green" lang="EN-GB"><span>-<span> </span></span></span></span><span style="font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;font-size:16px"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:green" lang="EN-GB">Are there certain car or lorry jacks that work better than others?</span></span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;font-size:16px"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:green" lang="EN-GB"><br></span></span></div></div><div><span style="font-size:13px" lang="EN-GB"><font face="Arial" color="#2c2c2c">The Hi-Lift jack (which Darcey mentioned), and similar designs, have a couple of useful design features for making hand-compressed bales. One is that they have a greater range of travel than most auto jacks- sometimes a meter or more. Another is that they offer controlled movement in both directions, rather than relying on gravity, and/or potentially releasing too quickly or incompletely, as some jacks would when adapted to a new use. They often come with a square metal base, and a larger lifting surface than many jacks, which makes attachments and modifications easier. They lack the finicky precision mechanisms of hydraulic and screw jacks, which makes mud and dust less of a problem, and servicing/cleaning easier. </font></span></div>
<div><br></div><div>Derelict</div><div><br></div><div>Derek Roff</div><div><div class="h5"><br><div><div>On Nov 3, 2011, at 3:36 PM, Darcey Donovan wrote:</div></div><div><div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif">
<span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31, 73, 125)">Hi Andy and everyone,<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif">
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<span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;color:rgb(31, 73, 125)">The PAKSBAB team is making great little 1' x 1' x 2' bales in Pakistan using our hand balers (compression moulds and farm jacks). I initially took an American made Hi-Lift jack to Pakistan which is still in use, and we have since imported additional ones from China.<u></u><u></u></span></div>
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<b>Subject:</b> Hand Compressed bales<u></u><u></u></span></div></div></div><div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif"><u></u> <u></u></div>
<div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:green" lang="EN-GB">Dear Darcey & others<u></u><u></u></span></div>
<div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:green" lang="EN-GB">Some time back in the Dec 2006 Last Straw there was an article about the work of Darcey Donovan and Greg Zaller in an earthquake struck area of Pakistan, where they used hand compacted bales using car jacks to make their bales for some community projects.<u></u><u></u></span></div>
<div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:green" lang="EN-GB"><u></u> <u></u></span></div>
<div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:green" lang="EN-GB">We have a Hospital project in the icy highlands of the small mountain <u></u><u></u>kingdom<u></u> of <u></u>Lesotho<u></u><u></u>, where the locals are growing wheat (organically) and harvest by hand. We intend to build using straw bales and I am looking specifically for information about how best to make and utilize a hand compactor.<u></u><u></u></span></div>
<div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:green" lang="EN-GB"><u></u> <u></u></span></div>
<div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:green" lang="EN-GB">We did already make up a simple timber mould simply to establish the quantity and hence cost of the supply of the straw that we would likely need to bale with. We used a hacksaw (with a fine steel cutting blade) to cut the straw, placing the cut ends to the outside and thinning ends towards the inside alternately so as to lay it in a regular fashion. We did not try use a car jack as at that stage we were just looking at quantities. The locals sell their straw in bundles for roof thatching. We found that it will take approximately 20 of their bundles to make a single bale.<u></u><u></u></span></div>
<div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:green" lang="EN-GB"><u></u> <u></u></span></div>
<div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:green" lang="EN-GB">In order for the idea to be replicable we need to keep it as simple but effective as possible. There is a local metal worker who could weld up a mould for us and I am sure we can lay our hands on some car or lorry jacks. I have never been down this road before and have no idea of the finer technicalities of making your own bales.<u></u><u></u></span></div>
<div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-left:0.5in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:green" lang="EN-GB"><span>-<span> </span></span></span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:green" lang="EN-GB">Are there certain car or lorry jacks that work better than others?<u></u><u></u></span></div>
<div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-left:0.5in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:green" lang="EN-GB"><span>-<span> </span></span></span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:green" lang="EN-GB">how to best design the mould?<u></u><u></u></span></div>
<div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-left:0.5in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:green" lang="EN-GB"><span>-<span> </span></span></span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:green" lang="EN-GB">how best to lay the straw into the mould?<u></u><u></u></span></div>
<div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-left:0.5in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:green" lang="EN-GB"><span>-<span> </span></span></span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:green" lang="EN-GB">What kind of level of compression is one looking for and how does one establish the right level of compression?<u></u><u></u></span></div>
<div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-left:0.5in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:green" lang="EN-GB"><span>-<span> </span></span></span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:green" lang="EN-GB">How to get this as efficient as possible?<u></u><u></u></span></div>
<div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-left:0.5in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:green" lang="EN-GB"><span>-<span> </span></span></span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:green" lang="EN-GB">What can go wrong?<u></u><u></u></span></div>
<div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-left:0.5in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:green" lang="EN-GB"><span>-<span> </span></span></span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:green" lang="EN-GB">etc etc<u></u><u></u></span></div>
<div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:green">I did already try follow John Glassfords link on his web site that he mentioned (see his mail below) in regards to looking at this for th Haiti project, Thanks John ….but would appreciate much more specific detail.<u></u><u></u></span></div>
<div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:green" lang="EN-GB"><u></u> <u></u></span></div>
<div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:green" lang="EN-GB"><u></u> <u></u></span></div>
<div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:green" lang="EN-GB">The other thing that came up was the possibility to make thinner bales for internal walls ….but again I have had no experience with this.<u></u><u></u></span></div>
<div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:green"><u></u> <u></u></span></div>
<div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:green">Any input would be hugely appreciated.<u></u><u></u></span></div>
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<div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:green">Many thanks<u></u><u></u></span></div>
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<div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:green">Andy Horn<u></u><u></u></span></div>
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<div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:10pt;font-family:'Courier New'"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;color:green"><img src="" alt="cid:image001.gif@01CC9A24.6D7276E0" height="124" width="600" border="0"></span><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;color:green"><u></u><u></u></span></div>
<div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif"><span lang="EN-GB">G ' day Balers<br><br>Sounds good to me bales for <u></u><u></u>Haiti<u></u><u></u>. Remember it was an earthquake and if you have not seen the work been done by Darcy Donovan here is a story posted some time ago now:<br>
<br>(Just scroll down)<br><br><a href="http://glassford.com.au/main/?paged=5" title="blocked::http://glassford.com.au/main/?paged=5" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">http://glassford.com.au/main/?paged=5</a><br>
<br>Also you must all have seen the video of the test done in <u></u><u></u>Reno<u></u><u></u>:<br><br><a href="http://imedia.unr.edu/shakertables/straw_bail_house_test_270.mov" title="blocked::http://imedia.unr.edu/shakertables/straw_bail_house_test_270.mov" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">http://imedia.unr.edu/shakertables/straw_bail_house_test_270.mov</a><br>
<br>I love the hand baler that the Pakistanis are using.<br><br>Seeing there is high unemployment in <u></u><u></u>Haiti<u></u><u></u> and if there is any rice straw in the paddocks then the hand balers would work.<br><br>
Anyone know how Darcy is going last time I heard Darcy was still in <u></u><u></u>Pakistan<u></u><u></u>?<br><br>Kind regards<br>The Straw Wolf<br>Huff 'n' Puff Constructions<br><a href="http://www.glassford.com.au/" title="blocked::http://www.glassford.com.au/" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">http://www.glassford.com.au</a><br>
61 2 6927 6027<br>In <u></u><u></u>Australia<u></u><u></u> (02) 6927 6027<br><br>Mountains of the Moon 2011<br><a href="http://www.mountainsofthemoon.org/" title="blocked::http://www.mountainsofthemoon.org/" style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">http://www.mountainsofthemoon.org</a><u></u><u></u></span></div>
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