<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div>Dear all</div><div><br></div><div>Here is the link to the Bath database that Bruce couldn't find</div><div><br></div><a href="http://www.bath.ac.uk/mech-eng/sert/embodied/">http://www.bath.ac.uk/mech-eng/sert/embodied/</a><div><br></div><div>However Craig Jones who has done most of the work on this has now moved into the private sector and works for "Sustain"</div><div>http://www.sustain.co.uk/</div><div>Craig.Jones@sustain.co.uk</div><div><br></div><div>While I think Craig and Geoff at Bath have done a great job on this, to keep the issue of embodied energy on the agenda,</div><div> it worries me that the ICE database is treated with almost biblical respect in many refereed publications.</div><div><br></div><div>Bath has never had proper funding for original research on ICE and so much of the data has been gathered from here there and everywhere.</div><div>This means that the data provided by many commercial companies has not necessarily been independently verified </div><div>Some of us would question figures given for the embodied energy of natural materials for instance.</div><div><br></div><div><b>I would be interested to know where embodied energy figures on the agenda in other countries ( for something I am currently writing)</b></div><div><b>In the UK, organisations like the AECB and the Passiv Haus people are pushing the argument at the moment that energy in use is the only thing that matters.</b></div><div><b>I though we had got rid of this debate years ago but it has resurfaced </b></div><div><br></div><div>While the greenies have been dismissing embodied energy , the commercial sector has embraced it recently, a strange reversal</div><div>For instance see the work of Gareth Roberts at Sturgis on carbon profiling</div><div>http://sturgiscarbonprofiling.com/?paged=3</div><div>Its worth downloading their RICS Redefining Zero publication</div><div>While it doesn't say anything about strawbales it does provide a very interesting methodology.</div><div><br></div><div><i>We are launching the Alliance for Sustainable Building Products in Parliament on November 16th</i></div><div><i>I have a one page leaflet about this but I think you cannot add attachments to these emails so if anyone would like this please sent an email to my personal address</i></div><div>tom.woolley@btconnect.com </div><div><br></div><div>Tom</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On 14 Oct 2011, at 19:47, Bruce King wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><br></div>The University of Bath (UK) has the best database I know of, but I can't find the link.<div><br><div apple-content-edited="true"> <div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; font-size: 12px; ">Thanks,</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; font-size: 12px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; 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I have some good papers from Australia and some stuff from CMHC, but I'd be glad to receive suggestions for other sources.<br><br>Thanks!<br><br>Chris<br><br>-- <br><a href="http://www.chrismagwood.ca">www.chrismagwood.ca</a><br>www.endeavourcentre.org<br><br>_______________________________________________<br>GSBN mailing list<br>GSBN@sustainablesources.com<br>http://sustainablesources.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/GSBN<br></div></blockquote></div><br></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>GSBN mailing list<br>GSBN@sustainablesources.com<br>http://sustainablesources.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/GSBN<br></blockquote></div><br><div> <span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><div>Tom Woolley</div><div><br class="khtml-block-placeholder"></div><div>Rachel Bevan Architects</div><div>80 Church Road</div><div>Crossgar</div><div>Downpatrick</div><div>BT30 9HR</div><div>tom.woolley@btconnect.com</div><div>028 44 830988</div><div>www.bevanarchitects.com</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"></span></span></div></span></div></span><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"> </div><br></div></body></html>