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Hello all,<div><br><div>We have been doing various lime over earth experiments here in the Maritimes over the last six years or so.</div><div>One system that has had good results in this "very hard on any kind of building" climate of Nova Scotia is</div><div>to add a small i.e. 5% amount of lime to the final earth layer then leave this coat rough (or as with a scratch coat)</div><div>to give a mechanical bond for the lime and sand plaster (1-2 coats). My theory is that adding some lime to the clay makes it</div><div>more "compatible" for the subsequent lime layers, but this is purely conjecture. Would love to do more serious testing on this.</div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div>Indeed we have found that just adding the lime putty to the clay does amazing things to making it more water resistant. Hose tests</div><div>and 6 winters confirm this. Getting this recipe right is likely relative to type of clay etc. so maybe challenging to standardize, or it may</div><div>be that it is more forgiving than I think.</div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div>One comment on the opportunity to showcase this project and the importance (or not) of it being perfect. If the interpretive and educational </div><div>aspects of the build are very clear from the outset that it is a prototype and that the climate and resources present new opportunities that are being explored then the project takes on much bigger significance. Perhaps the best case scenario is to do one wall with a rainscreen system, one with LoE, one with lime mixed with earth and one lime only (aka Amazon Nails). Hose tests can predict a fair bit, but one season of weather on a wall that is well roofed and footed can be repaired with which ever seems to work best.</div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div>Another thin wall, fast and "secure" system is to recycle chain link, or similar (which maybe found in the debris) and use that as a "wattle" attached to bamboo (or other) posts. The daub is the usual fibre rich mud with a lime/earth and then a lime/sand or lime wash finish.</div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div>A few thoughts for the mix.</div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div><div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"></span> </div> <br><div><div>On 2/03/2011, at 9:11 AM, Bruce King wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><br></div>Hi, folks, we've got a bit of a debate going as to what constitutes a security barrier, which is fine by me, but I for one would really like to hear more about lime plasters over earth.<div><br></div><div>Answers so far, as well as my experience, suggest that LoE (lime over earth) systems work very well if, and only if, you have a familiar and consistent mix of lime, clay, straw, etc. All of the ingredients are finicky (you can't just substitute one lime for another, or one clay for another), all depend on careful workmanship (application, curing, scratching, etc.), none are for newbies.</div><div><br></div><div>In Haiti, though we will have one or two pros running things (maybe some of y'all), we will be working with a Haitian crew of unknown skill, using clay, sand and lime whose properties and behavior are unknown.</div><div><br></div><div>Are we crazy to even contemplate a LoE system? Remember, this will be a very public house seen and scrutinized by a lot of people and organizations. There's no room for screwups or excuses. If it cracks, or delaminates, or in some other way fails, the whole project looks bad.</div><div><br></div><div>We'd rather look good. Any further advice would be much appreciated.</div><div><br></div><div>PS to Graeme North: thanks for the tips, I know that cintoflex is good stuff, and may even be available in Haiti. And prayers for New Zealand, you guys got hit hard. Prayers for Haiti, too; a year after their earthquake, the city and country still look like it happened a week ago, there's that little recovery. Poverty, dysfunctional government, and a lack of infrastructure is a fairly deadly combination that even the most noble and intelligent people (as are Haitians) can barely overcome.</div><div><br><div apple-content-edited="true"> <span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; 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letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div lang="EN-GB" link="blue" vlink="blue"><o:smarttagtype namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="country-region"><o:smarttagtype namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="place"><o:smarttagtype namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="City"><div class="Section1" style="page: Section1; "><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="2" color="green" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: green; ">Hi Martin<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="2" color="green" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: green; ">I agree it is more about securing the windows and doors.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="2" color="green" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: green; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="2" color="green" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: green; ">Plaster aside, for anyone who has not yet tried – but getting through a wall of straw is no mean feat.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="2" color="green" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: green; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="2" color="green" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: green; ">I once got called in to look at saving storm wrecked load bearing SB after the guys building had left for a long weekend without covering up ……so I helped with cutting out chunks of un-plastered wall, so as to retrofit in sets of load bearing timber posts. Armed with a chainsaw you would be surprised at just how difficult it was.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="2" color="green" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: green; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="2" color="green" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: green; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="2" color="green" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: green; ">Andy Horn<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="2" color="green" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: green; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="2" color="green" face="Arial"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial; color: green; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" color="green" face="Times New Roman"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt; color: green; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="2" color="green" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: green; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div><div class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; text-align: center; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt; "><hr size="2" width="100%" align="center" tabindex="-1"></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; font-weight: bold; ">From:</span></font></b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:GSBN-bounces@greenbuilder.com">GSBN-bounces@greenbuilder.com</a> [<a href="mailto:GSBN-bounces@greenbuilder.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">mailto:GSBN-bounces@greenbuilder.com</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b>martin hammer<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">Sent:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>01 March 2011 05:54 AM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">To:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>(private, with public archives) Global Straw Building Network<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">Subject:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [GSBN] building in<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Haiti</st1:place></st1:country-region></span></font><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial; ">Bruce, all,<br><br>Although on the EBNet<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Haiti</st1:place></st1:country-region><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>team (in addition to the BWB SB Haiti team), I'll jump into the GSBN forum with a couple thoughts on the plaster and the security issue.<br><br>The security concern will be greater in some locations than others. Generally, the more urban the greater the concern. It seems obvious that both in perception and as a physical obstacle, mesh reinforced cement plaster would be the most secure plaster, and I’ll say probably secure enough. (Notwithstanding Derek’s proposed method of breaking and entering, that still takes time, effort, makes noise, etc, and thus is a deterrent). In some cases clay, or lime plaster may not be enough, in other cases it will. Installing a second plaster on the inside face of the bamboo framing would provide additional security (real and perceived). <br><br>For the Home Expo building I suggest installing a cement plaster (with up to 50% lime if you can get your hands on it) on half the building, and a clay plaster with a durable finish on the other half. With and without a second plaster on the interior. Let people see how they both feel, look, and sound, and allow them to decide which would work for their circumstance.<br> <br>Cordaid, a Dutch organization, built a prototype wood-framed house in<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><st1:place w:st="on"><st1:city w:st="on">Leogane</st1:city>,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><st1:country-region w:st="on">Haiti</st1:country-region></st1:place><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>with no less than 7 enclosure-finish systems. (I can send photos, if you haven't seen it already.) I think it goes too far to the point of being chaotic/confusing. But a couple variations in one prototype building seems valid to me. Looking at opposite corners you might only see one finish at a time.<br><br>In terms of security, doors and windows (shutters?) will probably be a greater point of vulnerability than the wall enclosure system. I would show how that can be addressed on at least one opening. <br><br>Also, although security can be a serious issue in parts of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Haiti</st1:place></st1:country-region><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>(and other places in the world!), there of course is much more to consider about this building . . .<br><br>Martin Hammer <br><br></span></font></div></div></o:smarttagtype></o:smarttagtype></o:smarttagtype></div></span></blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#540000" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 16px;"><br></span></font><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">GSBN mailing list</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><a href="mailto:GSBN@greenbuilder.com">GSBN@greenbuilder.com</a></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; 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