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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=green face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:green'>Apologies – you not talking about a
straw bale wall. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=green face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:green'>what I do know from the townships here in
<st1:place w:st="on"><st1:country-region w:st="on">South Africa</st1:country-region></st1:place>
is that when we are talking safe we are talking bullet proof!!!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=green face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:green'>I was once shown effective township bullet
proofing by an owner builder in the squatter townships. He had used timber
off-cuts – still with their bark on – to clad the bottom half of
his corrugated shack. He then proceeded to show me bullets still lodged in the
bottom half of the dwelling as well as the gaping holes left by the bullets
that had hit the unprotected top half of the structure. He said if ever they
heard gun shots at night they would lye on the floor to stay protected.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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GSBN-bounces@greenbuilder.com [mailto:GSBN-bounces@greenbuilder.com] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Andy Horn<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> 01 March 2011 09:44 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> '(private, with public
archives) Global Straw Building Network'<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [GSBN] building in <st1:country-region
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Haiti</st1:place></st1:country-region></span></font><span
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=green face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:green'>Hi Martin<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=green face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:green'>I agree it is more about securing the
windows and doors. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=green face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:green'>Plaster aside, for anyone who has not yet
tried – but getting through a wall of straw is no mean feat. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=green face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:green'>I once got called in to look at saving
storm wrecked load bearing SB after the guys building had left for a long
weekend without covering up ……so I helped with cutting out chunks
of un-plastered wall, so as to retrofit in sets of load bearing timber posts.
Armed with a chainsaw you would be surprised at just how difficult it was. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:green'>Andy Horn<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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GSBN-bounces@greenbuilder.com [mailto:GSBN-bounces@greenbuilder.com] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>martin hammer<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> 01 March 2011 05:54 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> (private, with public
archives) Global Straw Building Network<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [GSBN] building in <st1:place
w:st="on"><st1:country-region w:st="on">Haiti</st1:country-region></st1:place></span></font><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Bruce, all,<br>
<br>
Although on the EBNet <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:country-region w:st="on">Haiti</st1:country-region></st1:place>
team (in addition to the BWB SB Haiti team), I'll jump into the GSBN forum with
a couple thoughts on the plaster and the security issue.<br>
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The security concern will be greater in some locations than others.
Generally, the more urban the greater the concern. It seems obvious
that both in perception and as a physical obstacle, mesh reinforced cement
plaster would be the most secure plaster, and I’ll say probably secure enough.
(Notwithstanding Derek’s proposed method of breaking and entering,
that still takes time, effort, makes noise, etc, and thus is a deterrent).
In some cases clay, or lime plaster may not be enough, in other cases it
will. Installing a second plaster on the inside face of the bamboo
framing would provide additional security (real and perceived). <br>
<br>
For the Home Expo building I suggest installing a cement plaster (with up to
50% lime if you can get your hands on it) on half the building, and a clay
plaster with a durable finish on the other half. With and without a
second plaster on the interior. Let people see how they both feel, look,
and sound, and allow them to decide which would work for their circumstance.<br>
<br>
Cordaid, a Dutch organization, built a prototype wood-framed house in <st1:place
w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Leogane</st1:City>, <st1:country-region w:st="on">Haiti</st1:country-region></st1:place>
with no less than 7 enclosure-finish systems. (I can send photos, if you
haven't seen it already.) I think it goes too far to the point of being
chaotic/confusing. But a couple variations in one prototype building
seems valid to me. Looking at opposite corners you might only see one
finish at a time.<br>
<br>
In terms of security, doors and windows (shutters?) will probably be a greater
point of vulnerability than the wall enclosure system. I would show how
that can be addressed on at least one opening. <br>
<br>
Also, although security can be a serious issue in parts of <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:country-region
w:st="on">Haiti</st1:country-region></st1:place> (and other places in the
world!), there of course is much more to consider about this building . . .<br>
<br>
Martin Hammer <br>
<br>
<br>
On 2/28/11 6:15 PM, "Andrew Webb" <<a
href="andrew@thegreenwebb.com">andrew@thegreenwebb.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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<font color=blue><span style='color:blue'>> Except perhaps in perception -
concrete may be less tempting to try to <br>
> break through than clay (if it is obviously clay) even if doing so is <br>
> just as easy. The finish and the image it projects is likely a
factor.<br>
> <br>
> -Andrew Webb<br>
> <br>
> On 1/03/2011 11:41 AM, john rehorn wrote:<br>
</span></font><font color=green><span style='color:green'>>> Good point,
Derek. Thick clay or lime would be as good a 'vandal wall' as <br>
>> one inch of cementatious.<br>
>> <br>
>> John Reho<br>
>> <br>
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