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<DIV>Thanks guys</DIV>
<DIV>Thanks Guys</DIV>
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<DIV>I had a look at an informative site last night on what the Aussies
are doing with perlite and vermiculite <A
title=http://www.australianperlite.com/perlite-concrete.htm
href="http://www.australianperlite.com/perlite-concrete.htm">http://www.australianperlite.com/perlite-concrete.htm</A>.
Great products – though if you look at the EE – all that vermiculite has to be
imported from the Kiwi’s and the perlite from another couple of thousand KMs
south. </DIV>
<DIV>Emerald is beyond the black stump. Once upon a time they had a lot of
precious stones. Now they have a big dam with lots of cotton, wheat, oranges.
(all gone with the the big wet and not durable for the future). The town is
thriving between the cotton and coal industry. Everything gets trained in/out.
Brisbane is 1000km from there. </DIV>
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<DIV>I guess the biggest issue for us are</DIV>
<DIV>1.. we need a product that will withstand the flood conditions that
this building has just been through. ie bottom bales in water for 3 days, second
bales in water for 1 day. As much as all us wished to be able to use straw
again, the evidence from monitoring the walls for 1 month was overwhelming. The
straw was rotting. </DIV>
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<DIV>2.. our stake holders included local council, Qld Tourism, insurer,
engineer, builder etc we needed to give them the confidence that the solution
was long term / climate change friendly. </DIV>
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<DIV>3.. It needs to be able to do the job the bottom 2 rows were doing –
supporting the non load bearing walls, and its render, insulation,
aesthetics.</DIV>
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<DIV>4... Then we looked at options that were achievable from an engineering
point of view. Colin is standing behind me wanting to know how you pour this
product into some framework 2 bales high while supporting the SB walls above?
These are great option for ground up construction (along with those lovely
mussel shells), but is going to be a bit of a brain teaser for restoration work.
Though we open to here how if your miles ahead and were missing something
obvious. </DIV>
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<DIV>Colin tells me that it will be a bit of trial an error, that is why he will
be on site with the builders from the go. </DIV>
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<DIV>My understanding is that they are thinking of leaving the external wall of
lime intact. A few extra expansion joints before work starts.</DIV>
<DIV>Working segment at a time.<BR>Breaking some holes through the width of the
wall using Lance’s coring piece.</DIV>
<DIV>Placing beams through these which will be supported by jacks. </DIV>
<DIV>Removal of straw below (still leaving that lime on the external
surface)</DIV>
<DIV>Having the light weight blocks to work into this space will be beneficial –
there are threaded rods at 900mm centres, some tie down wires, low window sills,
doors etc to work around. The benefit of the super insulation EPS blocks is the
fact that it is super light weight, cheap, engineered for the load, can take on
a curved form where needed, and can be worked into this space in a timely
manner. </DIV>
<DIV>Patch render, make finish good, go home. </DIV>
<DIV>We’re not worried about those little termites. We have them everywhere in
Qld, doing what termites do. We construct to stop the problem at slab level –
end of story. </DIV>
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<DIV>Chris</DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A
title=klerner@one-world-design.com
href="mailto:klerner@one-world-design.com">Kelly Lerner</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Friday, February 04, 2011 9:56 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=ArchiLogic@yahoo.ca
href="mailto:ArchiLogic@yahoo.ca">ArchiLogic@yahoo.ca</A> ; <A
title=GSBN@greenbuilder.com href="mailto:GSBN@greenbuilder.com">(private, with
public archives) Global Straw Building Network</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A title=sb-r-us@yahoogroups.com
href="mailto:sb-r-us@yahoogroups.com">SB Yahoos</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [GSBN] Emerald update (GSBN Digest, Vol 33, Issue
17)</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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(late) two cent's worth to add to RT's thoughts on EPS under bales.
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<DIV>I agree that EPS is overkill in terms of insulation and has the added
problems of possibly creating moisture issues and is loaded with fire retardant
(in addition to the issues of global warming potential, susceptibility to insect
attack, high embodied energy, etc). </DIV>
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<DIV>I'm moving towards using compacted perlite as under-slab insulation in
Spokane, WA. I wonder if you have any natural, mineral based material like
perlite or pumice locally available? If so, you might want to check it out. Just
a thought. We used a cavity brick wall filled with pumice-like coal slag as an
insulated wall at the base of strawbale walls in northern China. Not perfect,
but locally available and a good moisture resistant wall base under strawbale
walls. </DIV>
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<DIV>Thanks for sharing so much of your process. Huge gift to the SB
community!</DIV>
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<DIV>On Jan 27, 2011, at 11:22 PM, RT wrote:</DIV><BR
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<DIV>On Thu, 27 Jan 2011 13:00:03 -0500, <<A
href="mailto:gsbn-request@greenbuilder.com">gsbn-request@greenbuilder.com</A>>
wrote:><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">Message: 1<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">on Thu, 27 Jan 2011 09:21:17 +1000<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">"Chris Newton" wrote:<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">Re: Fw: Emerald update<BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">Currently we plan to replace [all of the
flood-damaged bales] with engineered high density expanded polystyrene foam
blocks.<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">Of course we are really interested in any other
greener product out there that will meet the needs, we have a few months up
our sleeve to explore and experiment.<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">I guess we are now looking at replacing 2 layers of
bales around the whole building. I hear conversations between Lance and Col
about supporting the upper bales in various ways while the damaged bales are
removed, and having to put a new capillary layer on top of the expanding
foam.<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>[snip]<BR><BR>(for full text of message/thread,
see<BR> <A
href="http://greenbuilder.com/pipermail/gsbn/2011q1/001252.html">http://greenbuilder.com/pipermail/gsbn/2011q1/001252.html</A>
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<DIV>Kelly Lerner, Architect</DIV>
<DIV>One World Design Architecture</DIV>
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