Bruce, you sound so equivocal about this. Can't you be more definite?<div>John<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 9:42 AM, Bruce King <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ecobruce@sbcglobal.net">ecobruce@sbcglobal.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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We couldn't stop Rastra from leaking ABOVE grade. It, and AAC, is highly porous. Don't even think about using it below grade.<div class="im"><br>
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On Dec 23, 2010, at 9:29 AM, Derek Roff wrote:<br>
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What about moisture issues with Rastra, and other insulated concrete form (ICF) systems that use expanded polystyrene? ICFs are recommended by many people for below-grade work (pun intended). Yet expanded polystyrene can take on a significant amount of water. I'm imagining that this could compromise the foam, through cracking and spalling, as well as reducing the insulation values.<br>
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Is this a problem, or have the manufacturers found a way around it?<br>
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--On Thursday, December 23, 2010 9:01 AM -0800 John Swearingen <<a href="mailto:jswearingen@skillful-means.com" target="_blank">jswearingen@skillful-means.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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I worked as a volunteer on a project with Rastra, a temple with high walls. As Derek says, it's difficult to love--the dust is awful and the blocks are, well, grungy blocks. This was probably one of the few applications where the massive concrete gridwork inside the forms made any sense, but the mass is all inside the insulation, and so doesn't do that much good otherwise.<br>
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It's amazing how Rastra persists as a popular choice--I think it's because at first look it seems like Legos. I've had to deliver my rap on it several times to clients who were initially enamored with it. I wouldn't build with it.<br>
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On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 9:09 AM, Derek Roff <<a href="mailto:derek@unm.edu" target="_blank">derek@unm.edu</a>> wrote:<br>
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I've worked with Rastra a few times. I don't like it. I don't believe their insulation figures, even after they have scaled them back. Working with Rastra gives me a powerful reminder of some negative aspects of concrete and styrene, the component parts. Cutting and shaping is possible, but it produces a lot of dust. The dust is awful to be around. I don't know if it is fair to say that the material is fragile, but it certainly surprised us multiple times with sudden breaks. Working with ten-foot long, 150 pound blocks carries a significant injury risk to a small, amateur crew.<br>
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I've worked with two different kinds of Autoclaved Aerated Concrete (AAC) blocks. They are more pleasant to work with than Rastra, for me. The ones that I used were very consistent in size and shape, with crisp edges and corners, which could be chipped in handling. A few blocks cracked when dropped, but they seemed fairly strong. I have concerns about the embodied energy, the need for two different kinds of massive kilns to make them, and their insulation claims. It seems like every company talks about the amazing properties of their 2 pounds per cubic foot blocks, but the ones they actually sell have a higher density, which they often don't list. The ones that I have used are still pretty light, but very different from what the industry keeps promising.<br>
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AAC blocks have a very rectilinear, industrial feel, which is the antithesis of the organic houses that I like. But is seems reasonable to me to consider this option for foundation/stemwalls.<br>
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--On Wednesday, December 22, 2010 10:41 AM -0500 Chris Magwood <<a href="mailto:chris@chrismagwood.ca" target="_blank">chris@chrismagwood.ca</a>> wrote:<br>
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Hey all!<br>
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I'm wondering if anyone out there has much or any experience working<br>
with Autoclaved Aerated Concrete (AAC) blocks and/or Rastra blocks<br>
for foundations?<br>
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Neither product is readily available here in Canada, but I'm<br>
preparing some info on insulated foundation options and would like to<br>
include something about these products if I can get some info. I've<br>
obviously web-researched both, but I'm looking for actual<br>
experience... did they meet your cost expectations, were there<br>
peculiarities about the install process, how would you rate them<br>
environmentally, etc?<br>
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Feel free to respond to me off-list, as I know this isn't exactly SB<br>
stuff. However, I'm hoping that among the vast experience included on<br>
this list would be some hands-on stories about these materials.<br>
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Happy holidays!<br>
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Chris<br>
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