<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><br></div><div><br></div>Cowabunga, Desert Dave and Mighty Marty, you strike again-- congratulations! 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font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; font-size: 12px; ">Bruce King</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; font-size: 12px; "><a href="http://www.ecobuildnetwork.org">www.ecobuildnetwork.org</a> </div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; font-size: 12px; ">(415) 987-7271</div></span></div></span></span></div></div></div></span></div></div></div></span></span></div></span></div></span></div></span><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"></div></span><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"></div></span><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"></div></span><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"> </div><br><div><div>On Aug 16, 2010, at 10:13 PM, <a href="mailto:Strawnet@aol.com">Strawnet@aol.com</a> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div><font color="black" size="2" face="arial"><font color="black" face="arial" size="2"><div><font><font color="black" face="arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif" size="4">Hello al</font>l,</span></font></font><br><br><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">I want share some great news. Earlier today, here in Chicago, Martin Hammer's "comment"/proposal to include the strawbale code he’s been working on over the past few years in California into the new International Green Construction Code (IgCC) was approved by a committee vote of 8 to 6! The IgCC is the new US code for commercial (and high-rise residential) buildings that will become part of the family of 2012 International Codes (I-codes). It will go through a full code development cycIe with the rest of the 2012 I-codes next year and there is work that will need to be done still to make sure it doesn’t get rejected in that process, but getting it into the second public draft of the code now is a very big step forward.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">I served on the drafting committee for this code from last summer through the spring of this year. For more information about the IgCC and to download the whole IgCC first public draft and the comments – including Martin’s proposals for strawbale and earthen building and the EcoNest comment in support of straw clay go here:<o:p></o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; "><a href="http://www.iccsafe.org/cs/IGCC/Pages/default.aspx" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.iccsafe.org/cs/IGCC/Pages/default.aspx</a><o:p></o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; "><a href="http://www.iccsafe.org/CS/IGCC/Pages/Comments0810.aspx" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.iccsafe.org/CS/IGCC/Pages/Comments0810.aspx</a><o:p></o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">You’ll find these listed as comments 5-134, 5-135 and 5-136.<br><br><o:p></o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">I was the only proponent speaking in favor of it here, and there were others who spoke in opposition. The initial motion was to disapprove but it failed 5 votes to 9 after considerable and very mixed discussion – which surprised me because of the nature of some of the comments – that it was still not ready and needed some technical fixes.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">The failure of the motion to disapprove required a new motion and Chris Mathis, an old building science friend from North Carolina, offered a motion for approval. That was followed by more discussion, with more concerns expressed that it wasn't ready. Then, just before the second vote, Chris pressed the committee to push the envelope. He said they should approve it and get it in, and rather than just having the few people who are very knowledgeable about it work on improving the things that still need to be done, “Let thousands of people look at it and help improve it through the next round of the code development process!” He said it was time to start pushing these things through. Then they voted - and it passed 8 to 6! I was amazed and delighted! So it is going into the second public draft!<o:p></o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">There were two other similar proposals (they’re called “comments”) that were heard right before the strawbale comment. The first, from Paula Baker Laport and Robert Laport proposed including the straw clay guidelines from New Mexico. Next was the other submitted by Martin, that one in support of earthen construction based on the new ASTM standard for earthen wall systems that I had initiated almost 10 years ago and Bruce King has spearheaded over the past few years. I spoke in support of both, but they were disapproved, though both received encouraging suggestions to bring them forward again after addressing non-mandatory/permissive language and other issues.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">Because they were heard one after the other, and I was the only proponent for them, I got to speak first for each one and so I had a total of 6 minutes (2 minutes each) to frame them all in terms of the big issues I’ve been speaking to for all these years, including the coming challenges of ever-more limited and expensive energy, the low-impact, low-tech, climate beneficial, local/regional benefits, the industrial/proprietary bias and difficulty in funding research, testing and development for public domain, non-proprietary materials and systems. I started off by talking about the fact that I had been in buildings in Europe built with materials like straw clay and earth that are twice as old as this country! And to say that these are durable and safe ways of building when done properly. And when talking about the ASTM earthen standard, I said that if they looked at it they might think that it was too low tech to be reasonable compared to the standards that they’re used to for concrete and other industrial materials. But, I said, It was intentionally low tech. That I was involved in initiating that standard almost ten years ago and it was both to enable the use of those materials here and to reverse the outlawing of earthen building in developing countries through the adoption of modern industrial codes. That it was designed to enable people to build safe, durable, healthy, and affordable buildings anywhere in the world—including the in United States. I mentioned that the committee that developed that standard included the leading experts on earthen building and engineering from around the world and was based on reviewing and incorporating the best from international codes and standards for earthen building.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">After the first two went down, I was quite convinced because of the comments that the sb proposal would share the same fate and, thankfully, I was wrong!<o:p></o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">So hats off to Martin, Bruce, Matts, and many others who have worked so long and hard to develop these codes and to Chris Mathis for his leadership and visionary action on the committee.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">Onward!<o:p></o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: black; "><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">David Eisenberg<o:p></o:p></span></div></div></font><span style="font-size: 12pt; "><o:p></o:p></span><font color="black" face="arial" size="2"></font></font>_______________________________________________<br>GSBN mailing list<br><a href="mailto:GSBN@greenbuilder.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">GSBN@greenbuilder.com</a><br><a href="http://greenbuilder.com/mailman/listinfo/GSBN" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://greenbuilder.com/mailman/listinfo/GSBN</a><br></div></span></blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>