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<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Hi
all<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Anyone
have any idea what kind of insulation one could expect out of such a roof?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>And
how might one attach a ceiling for insulation to such a structure?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>I am
designing a structure at the moment, which is based on a series of hyperbolic
parabaloids where cost is a major constraint. We are using poles with a reed
ceiling overlaid with Hessian and then a straw paper clay mix followed by an insulative
water resistant breathable plaster. The premixed top coat product is called
"Thermosim". It stuck me that the latex cement idea could offer a potential
alternate cost effective option.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>On
another note, I have seen a roof over a twin vault compost toilet at an eco
village called Thlolego, where some kind of cement slurry over a Hessian cover
on off-cut boards was used. I am not sure about whether or not latex was used
in the mix, but it's finish was clearly some kind of latex paint. However I
noticed the last time I visited a couple of years ago that the Hessian had
started to rot with a dark mould having developed and a green kind of algae/moss
growing through it. The structure was about 12 years old. I don't have an
understanding of the effect of latex on cement but in the long run I am
wondering if natural fabrics are such a good idea with cement for roofs - due
to differences in the PH and the moisture contents of such materials. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Any
one have an idea of what kind of idea moisture content or what PH a latex
cement would have?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>I
also wonder what the effects of varying levels of humidity would have on such
structures? The Thlolelgo project is even situated in a pretty dry part of the
world.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>I would
think a geofabric (we call it Bidim) would also make a good and cost effective alternative
to fibreglass. There is also a product that I use for building sand bag
structures, called "Spunbond" which is a woven polyester and is even
more cost effective, which would probably be even better. We get it locally
made here, but I know that one supplier get's their supply from <st1:country-region
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Germany</st1:place></st1:country-region>. While
not UV stable the fabric does not degrade in the presence of high alkalinity
products like cement. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>On
this note however, any idea how thick a coating of latex cement would one need
over the fabric to protect it from UV degradation?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>How
old are the examples of these latex cement roofs?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Thanks
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Andy
Horn<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><img
width=576 height=128 id="_x0000_i1025" src="cid:image001.gif@01CB1193.84722950"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Arial><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:10.0pt'>-----Original Message-----<br>
From: GSBN-bounces@greenbuilder.com [mailto:GSBN-bounces@greenbuilder.com] On
Behalf Of Jim Carfrae<br>
Sent: 21 June 2010 06:29 PM<br>
To: (private, with public archives) Global Straw Building Network<br>
Subject: Re: [GSBN] Lightweight concrete roofs</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>This
is an aside on the topic of lightweight concrete roofs - My grandfather, Jim
Waller, was a civil engineer and innovator in the use of concrete (he built the
first concrete boats for the admiralty during the 2nd world war). The reason
why I mention him is that in the 1950s he developed a building system that has
similarities with the Nez roof. His system was called <st1:City w:st="on">Ctesiphon</st1:City>
after the ancient arch in <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Iraq</st1:place></st1:country-region>,
and basically involved building a temporary structure based on a series of
inverted catenary arches as ribs and covering them with an envelope of Hessian
fixed to the ribs. The hessian was covered with thin coats of a cement slurry
(no latex in his day) This was designed to sag between the ribs causing
corrugations which gave the shell its structural integrity. The trick was that
the arched forms could now be removed and reused, leaving a self supporting
lightweight concrete shell.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>The
system was used for grain silos in <st1:country-region w:st="on">Egypt</st1:country-region>,
emergency housing in <st1:country-region w:st="on">India</st1:country-region>
and a whiskey storage shed in <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Ireland</st1:place></st1:country-region>
among other projects, but never took off in a big way and has remained an
interesting byway. As soon as I followed the link to the Nez roof I was
reminded of my grandfathers work - it seems they would have had a lot in
common.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Thanks<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Jim<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Jim
Carfrae<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>PhD
Research Student<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Room
119, <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Reynolds</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType
w:st="on">Building</st1:PlaceType></st1:place><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceType w:st="on"><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>University</span></font></st1:PlaceType>
of <st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Plymouth</st1:PlaceName></st1:place><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Drake
Circus<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on"><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Plymouth</span></font></st1:place></st1:City><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>PL4
8AA<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>jim.carfrae@plymouth.ac.uk<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>07880
551922<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>01803
862369<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>________________________________________<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>From:
GSBN-bounces@greenbuilder.com [GSBN-bounces@greenbuilder.com] On Behalf Of Paul
Olivier [paul.olivier@esrint.com]<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Sent:
21 June 2010 16:51<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>To:
(private, with public archives) Global Straw Building Network<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Subject:
Re: [GSBN] Lightweight concrete roofs<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Mark,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Please
forgive me for asking dumb questions about something you have written:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>It
sounds as though there is plenty of resources for the mix so I won't address
that too much now...it's not rocket science. You basically use the latex as you
would water for a cement mix with sand. You can use as little latex mixed with
water as seems effective...more latex (50/50) to water for the initial coat. I
can attest that the system works well and can be low cost. It is easy to learn
and quick to build.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>I
am keenly interested in use of latex with cement,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>and
I would like to find a good summary of the steps involved.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>We
will soon start building outhouses in a ferro-cement over urine-diverting toilets,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>and
it is critical that moisture does not penetrate the structure over time.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>This
effort is summarized at: http://www.esrla.com/pdf/toilet.pdf<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Today
we are putting up the first ferro-cement structure as depicted in this
presentation.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>We
must get it right, and your advice would be greatly appreciated.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Thanks.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Paul<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>On
Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 9:47 PM, MARK SCHUENEMAN
<huffnpuff@q.com<mailto:huffnpuff@q.com>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Greetings
All interested parties,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>The
'Nez' Roof system has certainly progressed beyond the experimental stages. The
are many roofs around the world thanks to George and Al Knott. The reason
George didn't return your email is probably he just returned from training
folks his roof system in <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Uganda</st1:place></st1:country-region>
where they did a roof for a performing arts center. I know there's Nez roofs in
<st1:country-region w:st="on">Afghanistan</st1:country-region>, <st1:country-region
w:st="on">Kenya</st1:country-region>, <st1:country-region w:st="on">Rwanda</st1:country-region>
as well as many other working demo structures in the <st1:City w:st="on">Denver</st1:City>
area and the mid west <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">US</st1:place></st1:country-region>.
He has trained his roof system to many folks , including myself, and we've
built the system many times around the world. His model of 'roof first' makes
sense. He was working with a minister in <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Afghanistan</st1:place></st1:country-region> after their earthquake
when all they had was tarps. Snows would collapse the tarps when they could
have built his roof with mostly salvaged materials and used the tarps and more
salvaged materials for walls. Recently he's been in conversations with some
folks in <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Haiti</st1:place></st1:country-region>,
so he could get you in touch with them.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>George
is a wonderful man with a vision and plan and energy abundant for a Ninety year
young fellow. Mr. Nez started doing disaster relief work for the federal
Government in <st1:place w:st="on">Central America</st1:place> years ago. He
has always been more than happy to share his knowledge with anyone interested.
As a matter of fact, you may want to make a pot of tea for a conversation with
George. He is a most knowledgeable resource when it comes to disaster relief.
If you have a project going somewhere I'd guess George is a suitcase packing
away from joining you for a demo of his roof system, as would I, or to discus
your project.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>His
system is more about the shape of the structure and the latex coating but the
'fabric' for the roof has been an evolution. He used to weave a fiberglass netting
for the latex parging but has worked with and tested regular old cotton fabric
(or even tarps) with chicken mesh. These materials seem more readily available
in most parts of the world and cheaper. The frames can be made of salvaged
materials and spliced effectively. The latex for the concrete parging can be
old left over (or oops) paints, if you can live with the color. It sounds as
though there is plenty of resources for the mix so I won't address that too
much now...it's not rocket science. You basically use the latex as you would
water for a cement mix with sand. You can use as little latex mixed with water
as seems effective...more latex (50/50) to water for the initial coat. I can
attest that the system works well and can be low cost. It is easy to learn and
quick to build.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>The
latex parging seems very durable, flexible (elastic), waterproof and enduring.
The material itself is not that difficult to work with other than that it
doesn't lend itself to a great esthetic. My guess is that if you're homeless,
cold or hot and wet, you could care less about esthetics. Once you apply the
parging with a few strokes of a brush or trowel further strokings only drag,
ball and/or tear. I got some on my vehicle and missed cleaning it until the
next day and when I removed it some paint came with it...it's sticky. Clean
your tools soon and often.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>If
interested please feel free to write myself or George
geonez@peoplepc.com<mailto:geonez@peoplepc.com> or call me with your
thoughts or inquires.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Mark
Schueneman<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>303-444-6027
hm.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>303-591-9841
cell<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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From: bob@bobtheis.net<mailto:bob@bobtheis.net><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2010 22:57:55 -0700<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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Subject: Re: [GSBN] Lightweight concrete roofs<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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We've been considering this technique for work in <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Haiti</st1:place></st1:country-region>, but I never<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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got a reply to my email to George Nez, asking, among other things,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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whether the technique has progressed beyond the experimental roof at<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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the <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceType w:st="on">University</st1:PlaceType> of
<st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Colorado</st1:PlaceName></st1:place>.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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Does anyone know of further work with it? I'm especially wondering if<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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someone has tried making corrugated or folded plate panels.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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