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style='font-size:12.0pt'>The Belgian bale builders (nice alliteration!) were
indeed the ones that demonstrated the clamp technique at the last ESBG. One year
ago a creative self builder showed us his “invention” and since
then we show it at our workshops. We also show the people how you can half the
bales with the needle technique. Experience tells us that self builders tend to
take over the clamp technique when they are building their straw bale house. It
really is very simple, fast and effective. Derek made a good description, but
to make it visible, I will try to find some pictures (after my short family
vacation, so I will be back to you next week on this issue).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>By the way… Eric, that self builder of the clamp
technique, is a religion teacher and he is building his post and beam straw bale
house with his own bare hands, no help, no machines, he probably gets some nice
help of his dear God… So maybe, God is just helping us through Eric to a
good technique to half straw bales. That also means, dear Derek and dear David,
that you two are now the SB-global prophets of this technique, because you gave
the tip to GSBN… <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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at the ESBG-workshop. Here is the reason: some proud fathers with profession
farmer sponsored the new school building with strawbales and one of them had never
made building straw bales before. But we couldn’t ignore his nice gesture
and used them. You hopefully also saw good bales, for instance on Saturday
morning in the demonstration of the straw farmer Daniel. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font
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re tying half bales<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3 color=black
face=Georgia><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Hi all,<br>
<br>
I saw the clamp technique used at the ESBG, I think by the Belgian bale
builders. It impressed me with its simplicity and speed. I may have a photo or
two of this technique but don't have the drive with those pictures with me at
present. Derek's description accurately describes what I saw.<br>
<br>
David<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face=Georgia><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 11:08 AM, Derek Roff <<a
href="mailto:derek@unm.edu">derek@unm.edu</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face=Georgia><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>As others have mentioned, I haven't experienced this
specific problem with arm pain. However, it might be more common than we
imagine, since workshop participants are likely to be unsurprised by being sore
after a bale raising, and unlikely to call us, even if the pain persists.<br>
<br>
On the other hand (the right hand, usually), I have seen many workshop
participants with blisters or lacerated fingers due to the repeated abrasion by
the bale twine. Usually right at the upper joint of the little finger,
where the twine feeds through the hand, as they are pulling it tight.<br>
<br>
I consider this to be a more serious thing than the injured people do. It is a
surface wound, and if properly cleaned, it will heal quickly. But with all the
micro-organisms around bales, if it isn't cleaned, it has a good chance of
getting infected. Bale frenzy tends to lead to people not taking care of
themselves.<br>
<br>
At the recent colloquium in Oregon, someone (Chris Magwood?) referred to an
approach that was new to me. They suggested using four bar clamps to
divide and compress the bale, before retying. The head of a bar clamp is
pushed into the bale at the length of the future partial bale. Then the
screw part of the clamp is brought up to the end of the bale, and tightened.
Use two clamps per side, so four clamps are needed to divide a bale this
way. Next, the strings are cut, and the bale divided. Finally, the
partial bale is retied, without the need to provide much compression via the
new strings, since the clamps are providing pressure. If the remaining
portion of the bale needs to be retied, the clamps can then be moved to that
piece.<br>
<br>
This approach is supposed to be faster and easier, eliminating all the work
with the bale needles. I'm planning to try it. Has anyone else seen
this approach?<br>
<br>
Derek <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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--On Thursday, October 29, 2009 6:32 AM -0400 <a href="mailto:Carolatkn@aol.com"
target="_blank">Carolatkn@aol.com</a> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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Hi<br>
I'd really appreciate your thoughts on re tying bales. I did a straw<br>
bale workshop 3 weeks ago and my left arm is still throbbing from<br>
making half bales. It is very painful. I've noticed this for a few<br>
days before, but it is definatley much worse this time. It could have<br>
been exacerbated by the fact that they only had the really thick<br>
baler twine which is very difficult to pull through.<br>
We call our knot the "truckers hitch" although I don't think that is<br>
strictly correct - a loop on the end, a loop a hand width away,<br>
threaded through and pulled in as tightly as possible and tied off.<br>
So my questions are<br>
<br>
Is this just me or has anyone else experienced something similar? I<br>
don't want to be demonstrating this technique if I could be injuring<br>
some one.<br>
Is there a better way to do it or a tool perhaps that could take the<br>
strain? I've seen someone use a pallet strapper but the best tension<br>
is achieved with a metal buckle - could those buckles be a<br>
condensation point in the wall? I've also heard of farmers making<br>
half size bales but inevitably some adjustment will be needed so<br>
customising will always be needed.<br>
<br>
best wishes<br>
Carol Atkinson<br>
<a href="http://www.strawcottage.co.uk" target="_blank">www.strawcottage.co.uk</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color="#888888" face=Georgia><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#888888'>Derek Roff<br>
Language Learning Center<br>
Ortega Hall 129, MSC03-2100<br>
University of New Mexico<br>
Albuquerque, NM 87131-0001<br>
505/277-7368, fax 505/277-3885<br>
Internet: <a href="mailto:derek@unm.edu" target="_blank">derek@unm.edu</a></span></font>
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