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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Hi Caroline<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Thanks, a bit crudely executed by builder,
but was a fun project in a quaint country village Barrydale with client, friends
and community all getting involved. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Have not worked there yet, but no the .za is
for <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">South Africa</st1:place></st1:country-region>.
Based in <st1:City w:st="on">Cape Town</st1:City>, most of my work is in the <st1:State
w:st="on">Western Cape</st1:State>, though ver the country and have done a
little bit of work in <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Zambia</st1:place></st1:country-region>….though
that was not strawbale.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>We do a lot of work where we are trying to
use more labor on site. Here labor is cheap and we face unemployment issues so I
have looked to find a way of building that cuts out our reliance on machines as
far as practically possible. With plastering we have an established hand
plastering trade so I make use of that. While there are people who use gunite
equipment, this is a very specialized industry that has developed for swimming
pool construction not wall plastering. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I only know of 1 South African straw bale
project that used gunite techniques. The result looked ok, but not so solid….i.e.
if you tap on the walls they sound hollow, while with the dipping the walls
sound solid. Also was not so fond of the idea of having to tape up all the window
and door frames with plastic creating more waste so as to mask them from
plaster spray. Have you found ways of getting around this?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Kind regards <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Andy<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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GSBN-bounces@greenbuilder.com [mailto:GSBN-bounces@greenbuilder.com] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>caroline meyer white<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> 19 September 2009 03:02 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> with public archives) Global
Straw Building Network(private<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [GSBN] prefab
strawbale</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>Hi Andy!<br>
<br>
Thanks for the comment and the link, nice building. I've done dipping the
bales for a project as well. The houses that we mainly build in <st1:country-region
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Denmark</st1:place></st1:country-region> now,
are jumbobale loadbearing houses, with NO wood in the walls, and walls
plaster-sprayed in the first one or sometimes 2 coats, the spraying makes the
dipping unnessecary. <br>
Do you work in <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Zimbabwe</st1:place></st1:country-region>?
The .za at the end of the web address?<br>
<br>
Cheer Caroline<br>
<br>
</span></font><font face=Verdana><span style='font-family:Verdana'>Caroline
Meyer White <br>
<br>
Friland 23 <br>
8410 Rønde <br>
tlf + 45 40 76 1980 <br>
<br>
<em><b><i><u><font color="#bf005f" face=Verdana><span style='font-family:
Verdana;color:#BF005F;font-weight:bold'>New email which I am changing
to:</span></font></u></i></b></em><strong><b><u><font color="#bf005f"
face=Verdana><span style='font-family:Verdana;color:#BF005F'> hojtpaastraa@gmail.com
</span></font></u></b></strong><b><u><font color="#bf005f"><span
style='color:#BF005F;font-weight:bold'><br>
<br>
</span></font></u></b>Kender du: engodsag.dk ? <br>
<br>
Eller paksbab.org ?</span></font><br>
<br>
--- On <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Wed, 9/16/09, Andy Horn <i><span
style='font-style:italic'><andy@ecodesignarchitects.co.za></span></i></span></b>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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From: Andy Horn <andy@ecodesignarchitects.co.za><br>
Subject: Re: [GSBN] prefab strawbale<br>
To: "'(private, with public archives) Global Straw Building
Network'" <GSBN@greenbuilder.com><br>
Date: Wednesday, September 16, 2009, 4:30 AM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>Hi Caroline</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>A modification of a prefabricated system but which effectively
cuts out a lot of time with the plastering and is kind of related to “prefab”
is to look at bale dipping……this involves fitting bales between
frames and then disassembling the wall sequentially, then dipping the exposed
surfaces of the bales in a watery mix of earth (yogurt consistency) and
working the earth into the straw while laid flat in a bath or trough. The
bales are then left in the sun to dry until they become are of cob like
consistency before raising them back into position. You can find some good
pictures of the system on our web site. Our most recent Straw bale project
can be found under <a
href="http://www.ecodesignarchitects.co.za/eco/index.php?option=com_gallery2&Itemid=44&g2_itemId=2406"
target="_blank"><u><font color=blue><span style='color:blue'>http://www.ecodesignarchitects.co.za/eco/index.php?option=com_gallery2&Itemid=44&g2_itemId=2406</span></font></u></a></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>I have found this to be a highly effective way of building that
combines some of the advantages of the pre-fab systems (ease of applying
initial plaster coat) with the advantages of onsite assembly. While it does
not save on timber, it does not need heavy duty machinery to erect with
cranes etc and generally having a frame in place is easier for municipalities
and conventional builders to get their heads around. I have been using this
system for about 5 or 6 years now.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>Kind regards </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
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size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>Andy Horn</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>ECO DESIGN - Architects & Consultants</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>6<sup>th</sup> Floor, <st1:Street w:st="on"><st1:address w:st="on">79
Roeland St</st1:address></st1:Street> .</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><st1:City
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on"><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Cape Town</span></font></st1:place></st1:City><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>, 8001</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on"><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>South Africa</span></font></st1:place></st1:country-region><o:p></o:p></p>
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size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>Tel: 0721 4621614 Fax: 07 21 461 3198</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>www.ecodesignarchitects.co.za</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
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font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> GSBN-bounces@greenbuilder.com
[mailto:GSBN-bounces@greenbuilder.com] <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On
Behalf Of </span></b>caroline meyer white<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> 14 September 2009 12:44 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> with public archives) Global
Straw Building Network(private<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [GSBN] prefab
strawbale</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Hi
Derek, <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Thanks
for your reply.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>What
I, in an affaul lot of words, is trying to say, is that I think
we need prefab elements, be it Modcell or any other. And I personally think
that if e.g. what we would consider a large amount of wood in the frame or
some other sort of compromise, is what you have to do, to make it easy for
a conventional contracter to choose your panel, then I can live with that
compromise. Because the general carbon footprint, or which ever method we
choose to measure with, will still be fare better then any other mainstream
alternative that I at least know of.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>So
my inquirries were mainly to say that I don't think it is right to compare
these panels - be it Modcell or any other, with loadbearing balehouses,
because they have the potentiel to reach a market that we unfortunately
don't seem to be able to reach with the more specific balehouse techniques.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Secondly
some of the discussion on the list seemed to not take in the information
actually given on Modcells website. Such as the local assembling of the
panels - Of course on site assembling is great, but if the panels are
assembled at the barn where the straw is sitting anyway, there isn't really
any additional transportation involved.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>They
have the "lite" panels, where the frame is 50 mm but with 2
I-beam wooden posts inside the panel, a light osb I-beam I think. That
helps a bit on the amount of wood and I am curios why the are not all done
like that.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>My
curiosity in this prefab thing has leed me to having just arrived in <st1:City
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Bath</st1:place></st1:City> to
do my 5th semester engineering internship, I will be following a
research project on the Balehouse, where some of all of these issues will
be adressed. When I first saw the panels I had all the same reservations as
expressed on this list, and I still do! I am very keen to get a look at the
need for that heavy wood frame, to find a design where local wood can be
used, to encourage testing and considering earthern plasters in locations
where that will be sufficient. To find better ways of assembling the
panels etc. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>So
I am all with you, and in the end, we are a few people hoping to set up
something as appropriate as can be, in Denmark. So I was very excited about
the discussion on the list, and a bit dissapointed that it kept coming back
to this comparison of systems that don't do the same.. I like the lighter
versions of panels that Chris talked about, I just find it important to
have the whole specter and accept that oned of it, which will be most
"normal" may need compromises.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>I
think it is as Bruce mentioned earlier, that these guys are really open to
suggestions, and still ongoing with lots of testing. Any good suggestions
that are shared I am sure will be taken in account. I am told that the
engineers involved are very conservative (not a surprice), and probably
some convincing strength on bales could be really helpfull, in order to
help them to calculate the bales into the system.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>When
there is more to share from over here I will be very happy to do so. And I
am obviously keen to get more details on the other pre fab systems that you
or anybody else knows about.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Cheers<br>
</span></font><font face=Verdana><span style='font-family:Verdana'>Caroline </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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auto'><font size=3 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:
Verdana'>Kender du: engodsag.dk ? <br>
<br>
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From: Derek Roff <derek@unm.edu><br>
Subject: Re: [GSBN] prefab strawbale<br>
To: "Global <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Straw</st1:PlaceName>
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Network" <GSBN@greenbuilder.com><br>
Date: Friday, September 11, 2009, 3:58 PM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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auto'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Thanks
for your comments, Caroline. I am very interested in strawbale <br>
panels, and in finding ways to increase the use of bales in all kinds <br>
of construction. I agree with you, that we will need to find more <br>
industrial bale building methods, if we are to interest certain <br>
segments of the building industry.<br>
<br>
A different question is comparing the specific Modcell prefab panel <br>
method/technology/approach to what other companies are doing, using <br>
different prefab panel methods. I've seen buildings and building <br>
methods using factory assembled stawbale panels that I like better.
Of <br>
course, what I have seen and read cannot equate to a rigorous, <br>
scientific comparison, but I think that there are prefab panel <br>
approaches in use in <st1:country-region w:st="on">Switzerland</st1:country-region>
, <st1:country-region w:st="on">Austria</st1:country-region> , <st1:country-region
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Canada</st1:place></st1:country-region> ,
and probably other <br>
places, that look more promising to me than Modcell.<br>
<br>
Caroline, are you saying that you think Modcell is the best prefab <br>
method available, or that we need an industrial prefab method, such as <br>
Modcell or something like it?<br>
<br>
Best wishes,<br>
<br>
Derek<br>
<br>
--On Friday, September 11, 2009 9:27 AM -0700 caroline meyer white <br>
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wrote:<br>
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> Dear All,<br>
><br>
> Knowing that I am very late in this respons, I feel like I should<br>
> make it anyway.<br>
> In <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Denmark</st1:place></st1:country-region>
for some time, we have had an ungoing discussion on, how<br>
> to make strawbale construction breaking through. Because, there is no<br>
> doubt, the load bearing houses, build in lovely parties,<br>
> strenghtening community etc, well you can't do better then that, when<br>
> you want to see environment and livelyhoods flourish.<br>
> But how much of the market do we reach? I am affraid that I have lost<br>
> the belief in, that we will get to have a very big market share using<br>
> the different bale techniques that are out there. At least in<br>
> <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Denmark</st1:place></st1:country-region>
, no construction worker - be it trained in carpentry, masonry<br>
> or simular trades touch bale construction. It is to fare from what<br>
> they have learned. And then not to talk about more industrialized<br>
> buildings, not just thinking of residential homes.<br>
><br>
> SO..I think Modcell is the best suggestion out there to break the<br>
> market. We have the absolutely more appropriate solutions for the<br>
> people who will engage them selves in building their homes, be it in<br>
> Europe/US or any where on the planet, where you always build your<br>
> home your self. But if we want to change some carbon footprint, it's<br>
> the heavy guys we need to reach, and then be there a lot of wood in<br>
> the structure or not. - With the Modcell nobody needs to care about<br>
> that it's straw thats inside it, once it reaches the building site.<br>
> And that may be what makes it duable for the conventional market. -<br>
> Allowing straw to become an insulation material like any other, not a<br>
> hippie-style of construction, which is the impression that any<br>
> conventional builder has about the way I have at least build all my<br>
> houses.<br>
><br>
> Considering the transportation, I just want to mention, if you<br>
> haden't seen on the web site, that they construct the panels always<br>
> in a local barn, so transportation is never more then a few miles<br>
> with the completed panels and only the woodframes are coming in from<br>
> a fare.<br>
><br>
> So having defended this, I agree that their may be ways of<br>
> improvement, which Modcell themselves are working on as well. My<br>
> point is just, that this alternative potentially can reach a market<br>
> that we (being all us balers) can't reach. And which may in the end<br>
> have a very large impact on our beautiful planet.<br>
><br>
> All the best<br>
> Caroline<br>
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> From: Brian <<a
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target="_blank"><u><font color=blue><span style='color:blue'>brian@anvill.com.au</span></font></u></a>><br>
> Subject: Re: [GSBN] prefab strawbale<br>
> To: "'(private, with public archives) Global Straw Building
Network'"<br>
> <<a
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> Date: Sunday, August 2, 2009, 5:24 PM<br>
><br>
><br>
> Hi All,<br>
> I have been interested in prefab wall panels for some time, but have<br>
> difficulty finding the appropriate time and skill savings. My son<br>
> Brad has a<br>
> render pump that will pump up to 60 square meters an hour at 20mm<br>
> thick. He<br>
> works with the owners and their volunteers to keep their costs down.<br>
> It is<br>
> often necessary to have two mixers to keep up with the machine, but<br>
> at 1<br>
> square meter per minute it is pretty quick.<br>
><br>
> Regards<br>
><br>
> Brian<br>
> Anvill<br>
> -----Original Message-----<br>
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> On Behalf Of <a
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> Sent: Friday, 31 July 2009 8:40 PM<br>
> To: private, with public archives) Global Straw Building Networ<br>
> Subject: Re: [GSBN] prefab strawbale<br>
><br>
> John,<br>
><br>
> Most of the cost and time savings with the prefab panels we're doing<br>
> come<br>
> from eliminating the site plastering. The poured walls are done in a<br>
> single coat, poured "sidewalk style", both sides of the
panel at one<br>
> time.<br>
> There is no way even our best practiced spray crew could do two coats<br>
> to<br>
> two sides to a perfect finish in under an hour for an 8ftx8ft panel.<br>
> Plus,<br>
> the plaster can be applied in any weather and can cure away from sun,<br>
> wind<br>
> and gravity pulling things down the wall.<br>
><br>
> After lots of experiments, we decided not to cast door and windows<br>
> into<br>
> the panels. Instead, we panelize the sections of the building between<br>
> openings, and then frame in the openings once the panels are<br>
> installed. In<br>
> the case of the building we just did, those sections don't have any<br>
> bale<br>
> in them. Instead, we framed out storage bins/benches at the same<br>
> width as<br>
> the bale walls.<br>
><br>
> We include a single stud at the edge of each panel, and the framed<br>
> sections are attached to these studs. I can send you the plan details<br>
> if<br>
> you want. We typically don't meet shaky <st1:State w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">California</st1:place></st1:State> criteria here in<br>
> <st1:State w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Ontario</st1:place></st1:State>
, but I'm sure the system can be adapted to suit.<br>
><br>
> Chris<br>
><br>
>> That's interesting info, Chris, particularly your construction
costs.<br>
>> Maybe<br>
>> we should try something like that!<br>
>><br>
>> I'm not clear how, with a module that's pre-plastered, you tie<br>
>> modules together and make them weather-tight as well as
structurally<br>
>> sound (don't forget, our ground shakes violently now and then).<br>
>><br>
>> It seems that your 'poured' walls are simple and easy for
unskilled<br>
>> builders. What would be the difference if you
installed pre-fab<br>
>> walls w/o<br>
>> plaster, and a professional crew did the plastering as normally
done?<br>
>><br>
>> John "Beyond Fab" Swearingen<br>
>><br>
><br>
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