[GSBN] [Bulk] Re: Question for you

[Bruce King]

Yep, me too!

There's no way as yet (but Chris is getting there) to reduce all the  
extra fuss & labor that basically makes straw bale construction too  
expensive.  Except for those of us who love cheerful penury, mud,  
straw and each other so much.

Thanks,

Bruce King
www.ecobuildnetwork.org
(415) 987-7271





On Oct 17, 2010, at 10:03 AM, John Straube wrote:

> I was thinking of a reply, but Chris' is so brilliant I really only  
> want to say "What he said".
> On 2010-10-17, at 12:55 PM, Chris Magwood wrote:
>
>> Joyce,
>>
>> That same question can be asked about all too many systems that are  
>> significant improvements on their mainstream counterparts, not just  
>> straw bale. So there's a meta-answer to that question, and then  
>> there are straw bale specific answers.
>>
>> The meta-answer has to do with our natural human tendency to keep  
>> doing what we've always done and improve it in small, measurable  
>> ways rather than change to new systems. To sum it all up: Humans  
>> are good at doing things better, but lousy at doing better things.  
>> We'd rather tinker with slightly improved cars than figure out a  
>> new transportation system. Etc.
>>
>> The straw bale specific answer is one I've thought lots about. The  
>> bottom line is it's just too messy and inexact a technique to be  
>> put into widespread, mainstream use. It's next to impossible to  
>> train people to do straw bale without lots and lots of on-site  
>> experience. There are too many ways to do it, too many variables  
>> and inconsistencies. From getting the bales (which are always  
>> differently shaped, sized, weighted and priced) to the different  
>> kinds of framing, plastering, etc, the whole process is well suited  
>> to owner-builders or committed professionals, but no so friendly to  
>> the guy (and yes, I'm being gender specific here!) who just wants  
>> to build some houses for a living, or the developers who want to  
>> hire him to do that. We all love these parts of straw bale building  
>> because we're attracted to innovation, creativity and community  
>> involvement in building. We are a minority. And if you're not one  
>> of us, the whole thing is just too much to bother with. And having  
>> spent
>  a long time making a living as a builder, I know that it was only  
> because my clients were highly predisposed to want a bale building  
> and were willing to put up with all the hiccups a bale building  
> entails (tarps, mess, plaster finishes...) for all the advantages we  
> know and love. But for most builders and homeowners, the scales just  
> don't tip in that direction.
>>
>> This is the reason I've been so keen to develop the prefab strategy  
>> I've been working on. This year, we built walls for our Habitat for  
>> Humanity build that were cheaper than their conventionally framed  
>> option and still had all the benefits of bale building. They are  
>> now interested in buying bale walls for future projects. But this  
>> is only because they show up pre-plastered, and fit perfectly  
>> according to the plans. There's no way the same organization would  
>> consider using site baled walls.
>>
>> So I think the honest answer you need to give your questioner is  
>> that there are too many disadvantages to bale walls. They don't  
>> detract from all the things we see as advantages... those  
>> advantages are real and should be weighted heavily. But everybody  
>> has to weigh up their options, and from a mainstream point of view,  
>> the scale still tips towards bale's disadvantages.
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> On 10-10-17 12:15 PM, Joyce Coppinger wrote:
>>> The other day I was asked this question:
>>>
>>> If strawbale is such a good building method and material, can pass  
>>> codes,
>>> can be insured, can be funded through mortgage or other lending,  
>>> uses a crop
>>> residue that is annually renewable and might otherwise go to  
>>> waste, has a
>>> high energy-efficiency value, can be built in most climates, if  
>>> not all, can
>>> be built rather easily by owner/builders or professional builders,  
>>> why
>>> aren't there more straw-bale buildings being constructed?
>>>
>>>
>>> Joyce
>>> ---------------
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>>> The Last Straw, the international journal
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