[GSBN] Wasted energies (embodied, new and otherwise) Re: GSBN Digest, Vol 8, Issue 5

[martin oehlmann]

Hello Rob (hi all),

hope you had a refreshing sleep.

1) membership in GSBN approx. 11 years for me, about 9 for Lars en about 7 
for Rikki. I would appreciate more input of new members and especially from 
not English speaking countries. This is a global network with different 
styles, speeds and emotions, different like straw-bales are. For me all is 
very, very well like it is.
2) I agree my question had been a bit long, however I admit I did not raised 
all points, yet wanted to make sure the setting will be understood. Did some 
lobbywork in Europe for a few years.
3) The financial situation of the building industry in some countries of 
Europe is critical at the moment and governments are reflecting on 
conditions for support to keep them going. To just keep them going would be 
a bit stupid in my opinion, we need  clever homes with better financial and 
environmental pay-off.
4) There had been mails exchanged on a congress hearing in the US. I know 
and have learned that David, Bruce, Laura and many others in this forum have 
incredible expierence in transferring knowledge and potentials to decision 
makers in their country. I would also like to know how they see this 
situation right now with a potentially immense programme of the coming 
administration and if they are involved...
5)  I had already a discussion outside this list as this concerned 
specifically lobbying in the EU, so be at ease. These outbursts are luckily 
just occasionally ;-))))

Wish you a relaxed and passionate Christmas time,

Martin Oehlmann


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "RT" <ArchiLogic at yahoo.ca>
To: <gsbn at greenbuilder.com>
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 8:41 PM
Subject: [GSBN] Wasted energies (embodied, new and otherwise) Re: GSBN 
Digest, Vol 8, Issue 5


>
> On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:00:18 -0500, <gsbn-request at greenbuilder.com> wrote:
>
>>    1. Polish Rep? (Rikki Nitzkin)
>>    2. new energies during wintersleep? (martin oehlmann)
>>    3. Re: Embodied Energy - SB vs Stick-built (Nehemiah Stone)
>>    4. Save the Faro-expo zaragoza 2008 (Rikki Nitzkin)
>>    5. Re: Save the Faro-expo zaragoza 2008 (martin oehlmann)
>>    6. Re: new energies during wintersleep? (Lars Keller)
>>    7. Re: Embodied Energy - SB vs Stick-built (cmagwood at kos.net)
>>    8. Re: Save the Faro-expo zaragoza 2008 (Rikki Nitzkin)
>
> I wasn't grumpy when I got up this morning but upon seeing the lastest 
> edition of the GSBN Digest I must admit that I am now a wee bit.
>
> We're well into the second decade of the email listserver phenomenon and 
> one would think that by now, people using this medium of community would 
> be aware of the universally accepted etiquette of editing out all but that 
> which is essential to set up the context for the message to which one is 
> replying.
>
> But in reading through messages sent to this List, one might conclude 
> that:
>
> (1) The Listmembers don't care about anyone other than themselves (ie 
> lacking in proper etiquette)
>     and/or
>
> (2) The Listmembers are recent novices to this business of email 
> communication and don't understand
>     the consequneces of their actions and/or
>
> (3) Have chimpanzees to take care of all of their email correspondence
>
> How else does one explain repetitive postings of the same lengthy messages 
> in today's Digest ?
>
> So dear Listmembers, just to be perfectly clear:
>
>     "Please learn how to edit your replies to this and other email lists 
> and then make
>      an effort to put that learning into practise each and every time you 
> send an email."
>
>
> D-o-o-on't make me come down there to remind you, or in the words of Elmer 
> Fudd:
>  "You'll be vewwy, vewwy sowwy."
> === * ==
>
> Re: Embodied Energy - SB vs Stick-built
>
> If someone is truly interested in the embodied energy ramifications of 
> their proposed building then I think that they should learn how to the 
> analysis rather than simply (mis)quoting a comparison that someone else 
> provided.
>
> Why ? Simply because such analysis are very locale and situation-specific.
>
> I can build easily a SB house whose wall system is substantially higher in 
> embodied energy than a typical, tract home stick-built wall system, using 
> typical, widely-used SBB practises.
>
> I could also build a SB house whose wall system is EE is lower, but it 
> would require a conscious effort with an eye to details along the way.
>
> So rather than simply cite studies or comparisons that have been done 
> already which may or may not apply to one's situation, I think that it 
> would be far more useful to provide charts or links to charts listing the 
> embodied energies of commonly used materials (I say "charts" (plural)) 
> because obviously, the numbers are not universally applicable.
>
> But that's enough from me. I've got to go kick my dog and hurl some verbal 
> abuse at passersby out on the road. &@^#(! !&#^$@
>
> -- 
> === * ===
> Rob Tom
> Kanata, Ontario, Canada
> < A r c h i L o g i c  at  chaffYahoo  dot ca>
> (manually winnow the chaff from my edress in your reply)
>
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